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Cervelo S5 or Scott Foil

Old 01-09-12, 08:56 PM
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Cervelo S5 or Scott Foil

I am pretty set on getting a new race bike for this season. Have it narrowed down to either a Scott Foil 30 which is equipped w/ SRAM rival or a Cervelo S5 team which is also equipped w/ SRAM Rival. I am figuring the Scott to be lighter by about 1lb or so. I would like to see an actual 3rd party aero test between the 2 of them to help make my decision. I know there is more to a race bike than just aerodynamics but I am just a little guy looking for all the help I can get. Pricing w/ the Cervelo deal would be $2800 for the Cervelo and the Scott is Listed @ $3300 at the moment. Looks of the bike make no difference to me ( I know the Cervelo is UGLY). Please Discuss.

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Old 01-09-12, 09:10 PM
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I personally don't think the S5 is ugly. I already have a Scott Addict, and I think it's close enough to the foil that I have no desire to buy another one. Then again, I also have a Cervelo S1, but feel that the S5 is different enough to warrrant that over the foil. My terrain is flat for the vast majority, making aero more important than weight in my mind. Although I don't know this for fact, I'm sure the S5 is more aero than the foil, therefore I personally would choose an S5 over the foil, especially for road races. For Crit racing, I must say the Addict has been great, and I think aero makes less of a difference when you're buried in a pack. Who knows. Both are great bikes, IMHO
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Old 01-09-12, 11:16 PM
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Lew Alcindor (look it up) head tube on the Cervelo. Cervelo's are highly over rated for the most part...lots of stupid afterthoughts and piss poor QC.

I'd go Scott.
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Old 01-10-12, 12:07 AM
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http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/...promise_187939

Sounds like the main complaint is that it feels a bit harsh.
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Old 01-10-12, 09:35 AM
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The Foil is not as aero dynamic in a straight line without a rider compared to the Cervelo/Felt bikes. But, with a rider, it actually shows a very slight aero advantage over the S3/AR1. The S5 wasn't out yet, and as you said TS, there is no aero wind tunnel testing between these two as of yet.

Anyway, I know Scott is working out issues with the layup/seat post issue due to the design/clamping right now and orders/frames are delayed while they resolve that. The seat clamp setup requires 12nm of pressure, and people were cracking the clamping area of the frame and having slipping issues if looser.

But, besides that, it is lighter than the S5, better looking IMO, and overall a bike than can do it all.

I personally would get the Premium and go with Di2 if dropping the money. You get a different carbon layup/material and stiffer/lighter frame than the other models. Well, maybe that model you quote, the 30 is the same material as the premium?? Can't remember if the carbon is the same on those two specific models.

Anyway, really up to you. But the S5 is a bit whacky with the geometry, and its looks IMO. Scott I think really nailed things with this frame giving the best of all worlds of any frame out now.

Good luck.
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Old 01-10-12, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by zigmeister View Post
The Foil is not as aero dynamic in a straight line without a rider compared to the Cervelo/Felt bikes. But, with a rider, it actually shows a very slight aero advantage over the S3/AR1. The S5 wasn't out yet, and as you said TS, there is no aero wind tunnel testing between these two as of yet.

....

Anyway, really up to you. But the S5 is a bit whacky with the geometry, and its looks IMO. Scott I think really nailed things with this frame giving the best of all worlds of any frame out now.
Funny, I was kind of thinking something along those lines. I figure the S5 is probably the slickest bike without a rider, but with the rider up in the breeze a bit (due to head tube length), it might not be that great in actual use. The Foil seems like a pretty good mix. I've got a Felt AR1. It's a fine bike, but the rear end of it always feels a bit weird and according to the Velonews article, it's one of the least aero of the 'aero bikes'. It does what I need/want, but I think there are better out there.

Nate has a Litespeed Archon aero bike that he might chime in about. Seems like another reasonable alternative and it has geometry more along the lines of the Foil (actually a shorter headtube, yet).
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I took my 2008 R3 in for service and wanted the shop to check out a clicking noise that occurred on every pedal revolution. They found a tiny crack in the bottom bracket. Cervelo provided a new 2012 frame, fork, seat post and crank set at no charge.

And the "sky hook" was unstoppable.

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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Cervelo's are highly over rated for the most part...lots of stupid afterthoughts and piss poor QC.

I'd go Scott.
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Old 01-10-12, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
Funny, I was kind of thinking something along those lines. I figure the S5 is probably the slickest bike without a rider, but with the rider up in the breeze a bit (due to head tube length), it might not be that great in actual use. The Foil seems like a pretty good mix. I've got a Felt AR1. It's a fine bike, but the rear end of it always feels a bit weird and according to the Velonews article, it's one of the least aero of the 'aero bikes'. It does what I need/want, but I think there are better out there.

Nate has a Litespeed Archon aero bike that he might chime in about. Seems like another reasonable alternative and it has geometry more along the lines of the Foil (actually a shorter headtube, yet).
Also, the latest Peloton online magazine has a review of the Scott Foil this month. Pretty much more of the same as other reviews.
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Old 01-10-12, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hermes View Post

And the "sky hook" was unstoppable.
Sometimes.

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Old 01-10-12, 01:44 PM
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[QUOTE=shovelhd;13701198]Sometimes.

Not really the sky hook. He passed the ball from the left to the right hand for a finger roll which was blocked - a technicality.
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Disagree. But anyway.
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Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
I own a Cervelo and have owned another two in the past. Also owned two Scott's.

Cervelo is like the engineer who can make a small nuclear powered toaster out of garage parts, but it burns the toast. You complain that it burns the toast and he dismisses you by saying "I made a nuclear powered toaster, what do you know about toast?"

In most cases a regular toaster is cheaper and makes better toast.
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
Nate has a Litespeed Archon aero bike that he might chime in about. Seems like another reasonable alternative and it has geometry more along the lines of the Foil (actually a shorter headtube, yet).
The Litespeeds are way better looking IMO. An d I love the short HT.
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Old 01-11-12, 03:55 PM
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The Litespeeds are way better looking IMO. An d I love the short HT.
Are they honoring warranties today? Their past is spotty at best. I like the looks of those frames too!
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Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
Sometimes.

And his usual whining after the clean block!!!!
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I own a Cervelo and have owned another two in the past. Also owned two Scott's.
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In most cases a regular toaster is cheaper and makes better toast.
I see - good to know. I've owned a Cervelo in the past, and just got one rolling yesterday as my new track/TT rig - the price was right.
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I see - good to know. I've owned a Cervelo in the past, and just got one rolling yesterday as my new track/TT rig - the price was right.
If I wasn't competing at a level where the marginal gain thing might get me some new sleeve piping, I'd be on something else.

They've used the same seat post P2c-P4. It's royally sucked throughout. Ask me about trying to find a metric bolt in Arkansas. I'm hearing the popping noises today.

If I really wanted to troll I'd post some seemingly opinionated yet non-reinforced Trek BB type comment over in the 41.

And BTW, if the S5 is as stiff as its Soloist predecessor, it's a flippin noodle and the Scott will kill it for a stable crit platform.

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Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
And his usual whining after the clean block!!!!
Celtics bias.
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Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
And his usual whining after the clean block!!!!
We used to love that part.
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Originally Posted by learnmedia View Post
Celtics bias.
You bet.
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I almost pulled a trigger on this beast ... not sure why I chickened out ... perhaps I thought it would be too much hassle for my relatives to bring it over here

https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=2532

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Originally Posted by learnmedia View Post
Celtics bias.
If telling the truth is biased, well, I guess I am biased.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
You bet.
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If telling the truth is biased, well, I guess I am biased.
Kareem's protests about this finger roll and his trademark skyhook were always about the ball leaving his hand on the downward path to the basket so, technically, the call should have been goaltending. Of course he was never ever gonna get that call. Simply wouldn't have been fair. Anyway, for old times sake here's a skyhook of the baby variety that I'm sure you remember :

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