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team tactics... "don't bother"

Old 01-19-12, 02:30 PM
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It's a lot of the small things. My racer shared the podium with him at Nationals and he never once acknowledged him or the number of congrats that were sent his way by him, etc. He publicly threw poop on everyone else in his races by continuously saying that there was no one else there to race (even the 2nd place finisher for that matter). Was a complete d'bag to the entire organizing/promoting team both before during and then after the event.....

.....and despite all of this I found myself in the wash line in front of him after he just won his race. Even knowing that he's a d'bag I convinced myself that I was obligated to wash his bike for him and do it first because...after all, he was in fact now the world champion.

For the bother, not only did I not receive a thank you, but I didn't even receive an acknowledgement as a human being.

I am not a saint. I don't deserve anything, but the lack of decency expressed directly to me has made me permanently dismiss him as a person. He can go f himself.

Another quick story - he was eating with another large name locally as well as other "heads of state". Guys that help shape the sport. The story relayed to me - from this individual who has a great deal of influence - was that he was amazed that everytime the group brought up discussion having to do with broadening the sport, improving it, making it more accessible, that Tilford lost all interest and just started interrupting them and directing the conversation back to how great Tilford was.

So the guy is a d'bag that does not help develop the sport, believes that all promoters are making bank, complains incessantly about everything that anyone does in the sport, has no industry or brand loyalty, etc...why the f would anyone care if he ever shows up to another race at all.....ever. He is less than an asset to the sport and community and honestly just needs to pop in his hearing aids and pop off his cleats and just fade away.
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Old 01-19-12, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hammy56
and?

I once (many years ago, 19 yrs old, weighing maybe a buck-forty) got my ass kicked by 3 guys, all much bigger than myself...one of them was hitting me with a sock that had bars of soap in it. teh suck. Pee'd blood for a bit.
next time, when you're in juvy, i suggest you spend more time at the soda machine.

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I used the Google translator set on Tilford to English and cut and pasted that blog post. Here's what I got back:

"I am strong and have no teammates. Therefor team tactics are pretty useless"
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Originally Posted by botto
next time, when you're in juvy, i suggest you spend more time at the soda machine.

Whipping out the young Sean Penn genre again are we?
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it was a career defining moment, non?
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Was that when you did your first prison sentence?
I would have been safer there...
Originally Posted by botto
next time, when you're in juvy, i suggest you spend more time at the soda machine.
juvy is for minors.
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Being a brand new Cat 4 or 5 racer for 2012, it would make little difference to me losing or winning if I had an entire team working solely for me. Basically its boosting the weak. I feel that if I'm strong enough to win at that level a team full of weaker riders isn't going to defeat me. At the same time if someone on my team is stronger than me and feels that I can help them finish a little better I have no problem riding in support of them. That feels more meaningful to me than just riding at the back of the pack all day because I'm not strong enough to contend yet. I'd rather have my effort count for something.
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Old 01-19-12, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by brianappleby
I can't speak for the rest of the country, but out here, the Cat 3 peloton is lazy.

Exploit that.

Teammates can help, but they aren't necessary.
If it's not fast enough, then make it faster?
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
(stories)
It's a pity.

When one doesn't have teammates it's often the case that something isn't quite right. I can say that because I raced without teammates for a bit (I raced for myself, i.e. Carpe Diem Racing, for a while). But there are some very, very good riders who never landed even a domestic pro contract, probably because they didn't get along with others. A team is never a one player sandbox, even if you're a Mark Cavendish or Bernard Hinault or whoever.

One individualist:
https://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...this-race.html
He did basically the same things that psimet describes above.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(I raced for myself, i.e. Carpe Diem Racing, for a while).
still have find memories of us racing for soc.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
One individualist:
https://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...this-race.html
he did basically the same things that psimet describes above.
Fits the description of someone I knew back then. s.p. ?
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Originally Posted by botto
still have fine memories of us racing for soc.
ftfy

Yes. Well, you raced for him. I raced to try and hang on to the back of the field.

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Fits the description of someone I knew back then. s.p. ?
The one and only. I hope he's mellowed for his sake. I have to admit that I never knew him off the bike, but his on the bike persona (and his "just got off the bike" one) didn't give me anything good to go on. I really razzed him at Tour of Greenwich one year.

And I'll never be anywhere near as good as he is on the bike. I know that.
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To Psimet2001 -
Sorry, but I'd have to respond to your post here and say you are full of ****. I shook all four guy's hands at the awards ceremony at Nationals and said good job to each and every one of them. And no one other than myself or someone working my pit washed any of my bikes at the Nationals or the Worlds, so you are either just mistaken or lying in this regard. And I have no idea what you're taking about eating with "heads of state". I'm sorry if you don't like my take of the races the last two weeks. Sorry I'm pretty blunt and sometimes too honest. But I write what I observe. Don't read it if you don't like it.
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Originally Posted by Tilford97
To Psimet2001 -
Sorry, but I'd have to respond to your post here and say you are full of ****. I shook all four guy's hands at the awards ceremony at Nationals and said good job to each and every one of them. And no one other than myself or someone working my pit washed any of my bikes at the Nationals or the Worlds, so you are either just mistaken or lying in this regard. And I have no idea what you're taking about eating with "heads of state". I'm sorry if you don't like my take of the races the last two weeks. Sorry I'm pretty blunt and sometimes too honest. But I write what I observe. Don't read it if you don't like it.
I don't have anything to contribute other than:

OoooOooOooo, drama time.




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Originally Posted by Tilford97
To Psimet2001 -
Sorry, but I'd have to respond to your post here and say you are full of ****. I shook all four guy's hands at the awards ceremony at Nationals and said good job to each and every one of them. And no one other than myself or someone working my pit washed any of my bikes at the Nationals or the Worlds, so you are either just mistaken or lying in this regard. And I have no idea what you're taking about eating with "heads of state". I'm sorry if you don't like my take of the races the last two weeks. Sorry I'm pretty blunt and sometimes too honest. But I write what I observe. Don't read it if you don't like it.
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Old 01-20-12, 07:25 AM
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Team work only seems to work for the stronger riders that can ride at the front all day.

Although if you get dropped teamwork kicks ass!

lol that Tilford guy nerded his way back here! most Steve's I know are rather dicky.
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Old 01-20-12, 08:00 AM
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I have no comment on the impending issue just wonder who told him?
Hey my name is Steve...

Ok, it isn't.
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For those that don't blog - any time that someone links to the blog, the link usually appears in the blog post's writer/s view (on some it's public, in others it's private). It's not a complicated thing to go find someone that linked to your blog, or, in this case, a forums that linked to the blog, just a matter of clicking on a link.

It's so automatic that I don't look at the links to whatever blog post I happen to be reading, even my own.

In other words Steve Tilford didn't need to do any research - he was handed the link/s to that particular post. For example I found his post through Doug Report, and I'm sure that Tilford has a record of how many Doug Report versions linked to what pages of his.

Regardless of whatever happens I have to give props to someone who registered under their own name. I used to but I read somewhere that it's not a good thing to use your own name. Of course that was pre-social networking time - it's probably better to use a name you want to promote etc. I use carpediemracing because that was bike related (the club/team/promotion entity) and it's not my name. But to wade into what has to be construed as a hostile environment holding up a name placard "Hi I'm Steve" is okay by me.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
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Me too.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
For those that don't blog - any time that someone links to the blog, the link usually appears in the blog post's writer/s view (on some it's public, in others it's private). It's not a complicated thing to go find someone that linked to your blog, or, in this case, a forums that linked to the blog, just a matter of clicking on a link.

It's so automatic that I don't look at the links to whatever blog post I happen to be reading, even my own.

In other words Steve Tilford didn't need to do any research - he was handed the link/s to that particular post. For example I found his post through Doug Report, and I'm sure that Tilford has a record of how many Doug Report versions linked to what pages of his.

Regardless of whatever happens I have to give props to someone who registered under their own name. I used to but I read somewhere that it's not a good thing to use your own name. Of course that was pre-social networking time - it's probably better to use a name you want to promote etc. I use carpediemracing because that was bike related (the club/team/promotion entity) and it's not my name. But to wade into what has to be construed as a hostile environment holding up a name placard "Hi I'm Steve" is okay by me.
Hey when my Facebook page was open weren't you one of my friends?
It's Steve right? Bwahahaha
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Old 01-20-12, 08:21 AM
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I've always had positive experiences with Tilford. When I lived in Oklahoma, he used to come down and throttle us in our local mtb races, and was always cool with everyone. I've never gotten the impression that he was an ass.
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With the exception of some girl I met back in the early 90s, and some guy who I met a few years back who fell off the changing table when he was an infant, everyone who races bikes in an ass.
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