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Old 01-31-12, 11:22 PM
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The "Next Level"... discussion.

I didn't want to use the dreaded "th" word that gets thrown around so much for fear some may claw their eyes out.

I'm giving the "next level" a go this season. Every time I feel like I've got a handle on it I read someone else's post about what intensity, duration, or type of workout they're doing and then I realize I really don't completely understand how this training plan is supposed to work. I decided to start this discussion to see if anyone else doing this wants to share their thoughts or experiences on the plan.

One question I've been wondering about is the timing of the FTP work during the long 5-6 hour rides. Does anyone think it matters when in the ride this FTP interval is done? Beginning, middle, or end? I've been putting the harder stuff towards the beginning of the workout, generally starting it about 45-60 minutes into the ride for about 60 minutes. I haven't worked up to 90 minutes at FTP yet...
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Without answering your actual post, I'll still bite: What the hell does "th" mean?
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The "T" in FTP? If so, why is that a dreaded word around here?
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Damn and I thought this was a thread about upgrading to the 1/2s..
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Originally Posted by ethman View Post
One question I've been wondering about is the timing of the FTP work during the long 5-6 hour rides. Does anyone think it matters when in the ride this FTP interval is done? Beginning, middle, or end? I've been putting the harder stuff towards the beginning of the workout, generally starting it about 45-60 minutes into the ride for about 60 minutes. I haven't worked up to 90 minutes at FTP yet...
When I did it, I saved the hard stuff for the second half of the ride. So if I was doing 2 hours of SST in a 5 hour ride, I'd start around 2:30 into it.
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Old 02-01-12, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ethman View Post
I haven't worked up to 90 minutes at FTP yet...
Huh?
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Old 02-01-12, 07:47 AM
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Presumeably its not all in one interval.
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Start at the beginning. What are you now? What do you consider the next level? You can list off things like race category, avg speed solo (and terrain), if you climb/tt/sprint well, etc.

Unless you're already domestic pro level, it's pretty easy. Make sure you're light enough. If you're already skinny then skip that part. If not then lose weight. It's impossible to lose substantial weight (20-30-40 lbs) while riding, easier when you're focused on just losing weight. You ride a shytload of miles in the off season, laying the biggest, widest base possible (200-300 hours base; 800-900 hours would be considered "extra credit" level). Then you start racing, in, oh, like right now, and race 2-3-4x a week until September. You take it easy between races, heck you may not even ride if you have a good (200+ hour) base. You'll be pleasantly fatigued in September, going through life in kind of a haze, and you'll be very, very strong.

If that doesn't work because you couldn't do a huge base you need to do more focused stuff. I don't know about focused stuff.

If you haven't raced before then it's even easier. Just do a shytload of group rides that have at least 3-4-5 racers in them, absorb info, ask questions, don't argue back, and start racing after 10-20-30 group rides. You'll think it isn't that bad.
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Old 02-01-12, 08:26 AM
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I think I've followed that program, but, will I be ready for March 4?
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Nice post CDR.

It is always easier if these type of post were to follow a simple format:
Start off with:
Age:
Height:
Weight:
Years Riding:
Years Racing:
Race Category:
2012 Goal:
Ultimate Goal:

From there making recommendations is so much easier.
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Old 02-01-12, 08:51 AM
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My bad everyone... guess I was being too cryptic with my post. For those of you not familiar I was referring to http://www.peakscoachinggroup.com/Ar...next_level.pdf as the "next level". I'm trying it and I've seen a few others post about their experience on it as well. The "th" word I was avoiding was "thread". I could only imagine the collective groans if I started "the next level thread". Seems like there's a thread for everything, maybe we need a thread thread.

I'm not looking to take my riding to some intangible "next level" I'm actually trying to work specifically on my FTP through the rough guidelines from this article. I thought this could be a place for those doing it to share their experiences.

Thanks for the response Kensuf, any reason to wait so long in the ride?
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Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
I think I've followed that program, but, will I be ready for March 4?
I'm only short about 150 hours myself (of the 200 hours, not the 900 hours), about 100 hours short of what I did in 2010.

Question is will I be ready for March 4th.
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Old 02-01-12, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ethman View Post
My bad everyone... guess I was being too cryptic with my post. For those of you not familiar I was referring to http://www.peakscoachinggroup.com/Ar...next_level.pdf as the "next level". I'm trying it and I've seen a few others post about their experience on it as well. The "th" word I was avoiding was "thread". I could only imagine the collective groans if I started "the next level thread". Seems like there's a thread for everything, maybe we need a thread thread.

I'm not looking to take my riding to some intangible "next level" I'm actually trying to work specifically on my FTP through the rough guidelines from this article. I thought this could be a place for those doing it to share their experiences.

Thanks for the response Kensuf, any reason to wait so long in the ride?
it's easier for us to help you if you provide the following:

Start off with:
Age:
Height:
Weight:
Years Riding:
Years Racing:
Race Category:
2012 Goal:
Ultimate Goal:
I'd add hours/week you have been training and hours/week you plan to train to that list. Quite important in determining how much you can do.

Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Presumeably its not all in one interval.
correct
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Old 02-01-12, 10:34 AM
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True dat...
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Correct me if I'm wrong.

This is a "big hours" program, as in 18-20 hours/wk. If you try and squeeze it by adding intensity, you'll burn out before the season starts.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong.

This is a "big hours" program, as in 18-20 hours/wk. If you try and squeeze it by adding intensity, you'll burn out before the season starts.
It's big hours with intensity. L4 work, no L5 work, but yeah it's tough.
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So would you say that if you try and squeeze the hours by adding intensity, you'll burn out?
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Alright, I'll bite. I didn't want to make this all about me, I was thinking discussion. But here goes:

Age: 38
Height: 6'
Weight: 165
Years Riding: 3
Years Racing: 2
Race Category: 4
2012 Goal: Improve FTP and other areas, have some top 5 and 10 finishes, race more confidently, and (hopefully) earn enough points to Cat up
Ultimate Goal: Not sure yet... become a competent Cat 3, not sure if I'll have the time/talent to get any higher.

Hours per week are around 12-14 on the bike with 2 more in the gym. I'm averaging around 900-1,000 TSS weekly. I'm currently in my first Build phase. I was getting slightly more hours in during Base.
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Originally Posted by ethman View Post
Alright, I'll bite. I didn't want to make this all about me, I was thinking discussion. But here goes:

Age: 38
Height: 6'
Weight: 165
Years Riding: 3
Years Racing: 2
Race Category: 4
2012 Goal: Improve FTP and other areas, have some top 5 and 10 finishes, race more confidently, and (hopefully) earn enough points to Cat up
Ultimate Goal: Not sure yet... become a competent Cat 3, not sure if I'll have the time/talent to get any higher.

Hours per week are around 12-14 on the bike with 2 more in the gym. I'm averaging around 900-1,000 TSS weekly. I'm currently in my first Build phase. I was getting slightly more hours in during Base.
It's ok, I will allow you to have all the spotlight this one time only. At some point I will redirect it towards myself.
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Originally Posted by ethman View Post
Alright, I'll bite. I didn't want to make this all about me, I was thinking discussion. But here goes:

Age: 38
Height: 6'
Weight: 165

Years Riding: 3
Years Racing: 2
Race Category: 4
2012 Goal: Improve FTP and other areas, have some top 5 and 10 finishes, race more confidently, and (hopefully) earn enough points to Cat up
Ultimate Goal: Not sure yet... become a competent Cat 3, not sure if I'll have the time/talent to get any higher.

Hours per week are around 12-14 on the bike with 2 more in the gym. I'm averaging around 900-1,000 TSS weekly. I'm currently in my first Build phase. I was getting slightly more hours in during Base.
put the fork down.
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Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post
put the fork down.
Well, you just made ME feel fat...
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Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post
put the fork down.
yes, I realize I'm a fatty... but if I get any thinner I may never, ever attract a mate... unless she likes anorexic guys. In all seriousness I'm going to have my body fat tested soon, but I think it's pretty low for someone my age. I think the next step would be to allow what little upper body muscle I have to wither away. Not sure I want to do that too... Can't say that the Schleck look is a very attractive one.
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Originally Posted by allawayr View Post
Well, you just made ME feel fat...
and me feel fatter
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
and me feel fatter
Hi my name is rkwaki and I am a fatty
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Originally Posted by ethman View Post
yes, I realize I'm a fatty... but if I get any thinner I may never, ever attract a mate... unless she likes anorexic guys. In all seriousness I'm going to have my body fat tested soon, but I think it's pretty low for someone my age. I think the next step would be to allow what little upper body muscle I have to wither away. Not sure I want to do that too... Can't say that the Schleck look is a very attractive one.
meh...Im 5-11 154lbs, (still a fatty) and I got beeitches chasin' me like Tom is chasin' Jerry...






as long as I believe it, thats all that matters.

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