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Old 02-08-12, 05:06 AM
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San Antonio / Dade City 2012 (Florida)

I'll be working for TopView again.
No racing for me when I help promote events.
Too darn tired.
Stop by and say hello if you see me announcing.
It is one of my many duties over the weekend.

Sunday is the 13th annual crit at Dade City.
And the RR on Sat is one of the best of the year.
Hills, decent fields and hills.
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Old 02-08-12, 10:24 AM
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Can you tell the Cat 3/4 group to go out slow for the first few miles? LOL.
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Old 02-08-12, 10:25 AM
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hey I know that guy
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Old 02-08-12, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
I'll be working for TopView again.
No racing for me when I help promote events.
Too darn tired.
Stop by and say hello if you see me announcing.
It is one of my many duties over the weekend.

Sunday is the 13th annual crit at Dade City.
And the RR on Sat is one of the best of the year.
Hills, decent fields and hills.
I'll stop by and say hello. I'll be the guy with an arm in a sling, walking with a limp on a crutch
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Old 02-08-12, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by teetopkram View Post
I'll stop by and say hello. I'll be the guy with an arm in a sling, walking with a limp **** on a crutch
Corrected...
Haven't picked on you yet
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Old 02-08-12, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by zigmeister View Post
Can you tell the Cat 3/4 group to go out slow for the first few miles? LOL.
I can go to the front and soft peddle in my 34-23 for a few miles if you want? lol. Just registered for the cat 4 on Saturday.
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Old 02-08-12, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
I can go to the front and soft peddle in my 34-23 for a few miles if you want? lol. Just registered for the cat 4 on Saturday.
Didn't you get a 53/39 crankset yet?!?!?
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Old 02-08-12, 05:22 PM
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Corrected...
Haven't picked on you yet
Well, that too, but why don't you go eat a Big Mac or two?
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Originally Posted by teetopkram View Post
Didn't you get a 53/39 crankset yet?!?!?
Hey, this is a hiily RR.

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Old 02-08-12, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by teetopkram View Post
Didn't you get a 53/39 crankset yet?!?!?
Nope and im not going to. At least for now. After talking to Kensuf at bring it on, I decided that the compact is right for me at this time and I use 11-21 cassette. Although at dade city ill use 11-23. Using the 50-23 is giving me a slights bigger gear than the pro1 I train with who uses 53-12 as his biggest. I have been feeling pretty good so far and want to stay with what's working. I also like spinning as I've had some knee problems.

I like having the 11 for downhill though I hardly use it. but use it mostly in training when I want to push bigger gear

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Old 02-08-12, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
Hey, this is a hiily RR.

It is a little hilly this weekend just a little. I like the compact. I just dont see any reason to go to a 53/39. i really dont understand the benefits of it (but I do wanna know)and I'm not going to ask on here, because it'll turn around and be a whole "ride what you have thread" which is what I'm trying to do. lol
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Old 02-09-12, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
Nope and im not going to. At least for now. After talking to Kensuf at bring it on, I decided that the compact is right for me at this time and I use 11-21 cassette. Although at dade city ill use 11-23. Using the 50-23 is giving me a slights bigger gear than the pro1 I train with who uses 53-12 as his biggest. I have been feeling pretty good so far and want to stay with what's working. I also like spinning as I've had some knee problems.

I like having the 11 for downhill though I hardly use it. but use it mostly in training when I want to push bigger gear
Great job listening to kensuf. I was just kidding around. I think a compact is fine and you're right about spinning to save the knees...I have to do the same. We do our Sunday rides on the same route/hills as the race and I'm always having to shift down to spin up the hills whereas several of the local riders mash their 53's up them. I switched from a 11-23 to a 12-23 this year for racing cause I reasoned I'd use the 18 a lot more than the 11 (I can barely push that I'm so weak). Like you, I use it mainly for big gear training.

Looking forward to watching you all race this weekend.
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Old 02-09-12, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by teetopkram View Post
Looking forward to watching you all race this weekend.
I'll be there even though it looks like it might be wet.
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Old 02-09-12, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by teetopkram View Post
I'll stop by and say hello. I'll be the guy with an arm in a sling, walking with a limp on a crutch offering to feed saratoga's fat ass
Hope to see you there.

(I may do 30+ just so I don't have to get up at the crack of dawn)
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Old 02-09-12, 01:30 PM
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I have been thinking of doing my cat 3/4 race. Then doubling back out in the 30+ race immediately afterwards for training, since I will be unable at this time to race sunday, though that could change. Good 102 miles on Saturday.
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Old 02-09-12, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
I can go to the front and soft peddle in my 34-23 for a few miles if you want? lol. Just registered for the cat 4 on Saturday.

Thank you. Finally somebody in a Cat 3/4/5 race that doesn't go out of the start like a bat out of hell like it is some track 400m race. Guys need to watch the Pro 1/2, ride out nice and easy the first few miles. Get warmed up..it's a long race! Relax.

That, and it might be about 60F at the start, and finish for that matter. Little chilly.

Seriously, let's just get up over the first climb and slow highway hill the first time without sprinting 24mph the 1/2 mile distance, that would be a nice change of pace for once.

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Old 02-09-12, 02:58 PM
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Shirley, you jest.

I'm not kidding, and quit calling me Shirley.
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Old 02-09-12, 03:32 PM
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Shirley, you jest.

I'm not kidding, and quit calling me Shirley.
Racing this weekend Kensuf?
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Well, my office is all packed up so I won't be doing that this weekend. The magic 8-ball is showing "outcome probable". Of course, I've had some really really really bad days on this course. 100 person fields, yellow line rules, and that stupid descent 1 mile into the course with the quick hill after have caused more than one person who has posted in this thread to have a crappy day.

I've also had one or two good days on it. I'm 3 for 5 (bad out of total), I'd like to see if I can at least get to 0.500.
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Old 02-09-12, 04:04 PM
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Wow what is up with this descent then the quick hill? remember I'm only 9 months into racing. Got me wanting to check the google maps now. Sounds like a major cause for concern. especially if its raining
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So about 1/2 mile after the first right hand turn you go down a quick descent where you'll easily pick up 40mph. Then, on the other side of the ravine is a hill, which while not really more than a quick power climb, you won't be doing anywhere near the 40+ mph when you crest it (more like 17-22). What invariably happens is you get a field with 100 people in it, they all fly down the hill, then compact at the very bottom before the climb out. Being only 5 minutes into the race, everyone's still pumped with adrenaline, acting stupid, etc, and there's not much room to maneuver.

The first year I did this race, YMCA and I were both on the back of the field during the descent chatting with each other when the inevitable pile-up ensued. I actually finished, because I refused to drop out, but was so far behind that it wasn't even funny. (and I think we were chatting about a crash that happened at that hill several years ago, ironically enough)

Last year I saw a guy go flying over the guard-rail at the bottom because he was squeezed off the road, and then about a minute after that someone behind me got squeezed out to the left, hooked my bars, and took me across the road on a zig-zag, that's when I abandoned.

I've seen pro's (Phil Gaiman) get crashed out in 5 minutes into that race on that course.

I also had a mechanical one year, where my rear derailer exploded.

I really don't think San Ann likes me very much...

The two years I did well, I raced 35+ with a smaller field, and I made sure to stay at the front on the first descent so I wouldn't be involved in the carnage. I'm pretty sure YMCA won the 45+ race last year.

My suggestion is to stay near the front, or at the very back and be willing to chase back on, for the first few miles.
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Originally Posted by kensuf View Post

My suggestion is to stay near the front, or at the very back and be willing to chase back on, for the first few miles.
Front/Left hugging the yellow line sounds like a safe play for the first few miles.
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Originally Posted by zigmeister View Post
Thank you. Finally somebody in a Cat 3/4/5 race that doesn't go out of the start like a bat out of hell like it is some track 400m race. Guys need to watch the Pro 1/2, ride out nice and easy the first few miles. Get warmed up..it's a long race! Relax.

That, and it might be about 60F at the start, and finish for that matter. Little chilly.

Seriously, let's just get up over the first climb and slow highway hill the first time without sprinting 24mph the 1/2 mile distance, that would be a nice change of pace for once.
I guess you haven't seen a Florida Pro 1/2 race
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
Front/Left hugging the yellow line sounds like a safe play for the first few miles.
Probably not too bad of a place to be...
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Front/Left hugging the yellow line sounds like a safe play for the first few miles.
I train up there almost every Sunday with about 60-80 other guys typically. That is the normal route for the longer rides.

That is why I said, the first climb and uphill over the highway to go easier. Particularly right within the first 1/2 mile hitting that first downhill section with a 90 degree sweeper. But most of the descent is done by the time it starts to sweep left. Then a uphill climb that can be painful if people are hitting it hard, but it is short that hill. But it slightly once over that first hill for nearly 1/2 mile or so, good recovery settle in. Then it sweeps right almost 90 degrees for the 1/2mi. slow uphill climb, then downhill over the highway and slight uphill...to a downhill section. That is the first 2.5 to 3 miles and profile.

That is why I said go easy the first few miles. It is 51miles the race, no reason to get mangled up. But you know guys are going to be silly.

We will see, me thinks it might be going 2 lanes often around the loop. Not sure what they are going to tell us and what rules will apply. Typically it is no yellow crossing, but some of the hills either force you to ride the brakes downhill, or go wide two lanes. Training rides are almost going 1.5-2 lanes always in these steeper downhill sections. Especially when you get 50-60+ people.

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