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Originally Posted by island rider
(Post 14289563)
The more I read your posts, the more I want our paths to cross. If or when that does happen, rest assured that I will ask you to offer any advice you feel compelled to offer.
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Originally Posted by Doggus
(Post 14289823)
Hey now...don't get personal.
One thing I've never divulged to the team or anyone until recently, that rider most likely has a mild case of Multiple Sclerosis and half the time doesn't know if his bike is still under him or not due to phantom sensory issues. Hence the problems with corners and screaming downhills. Take nice straight flats where the eyes can easily override what the brain is telling, and go-fast-go. Started in 2001. Never known what its like not to be dizzy since then. Try this: drink 2-3 glasses of wine and sign up for a crit. See how well the corners go :) One other tell-tale: next time your behind the rider in question, notice the size of right leg vs. left. Most of the watts comes out of left leg. Right leg (and arm) don't work so well due to nuero damage in brain or spine, we're not sure yet. GLoven noticed it first three years ago. A few others have asked too. Lets just hope a wheelchair won't have to be employed anytime soon. |
Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 14281280)
Guys pay coaches a few hundred a month. The math doesn't work, and at lower end it's just generic plans which have as much chance of harm as help.
The assumption seems to be that the system is broke, but it works just fine as far as I'm concerned. Once guys show aptitude, talent and dedication is the time to invest in coaches. |
Originally Posted by JeffOYB
(Post 14314388)
I still think a Cat 5 could really use a coach on his team to help him move up to Cat 4.
Coach: Yes. I charge $250/month Rider: Here you go. So now what. Coach: I want to you do ten mass start races, just to get a feel for things. Write everything down and give me the notebook when you're done. (ten races later) Rider: Here's my notebook Coach: (flipping through the pages). I see you did exactly what I told you. From looking at this I'd have to say you are definitely ready to put in for your upgrade. Send it in tonight, I'll call the Upgrade guy and tell him how good you are doing. (later that evening) Rider: Coach, you were right! They approved my upgrade. Coach: I told you. Now we need to get you on the Merckx Plan. Did you send me the check? Rider: You bet. Coach: OK, now here's the jist of the Merckx plan. You need to ride lots. Rider: Ride lots? Coach: Exactly. Here's some great references on Bike Forums 41 for the plan... Rider: They also say I should take a big dump before I race? Coach: Let's work on this one step at a time. |
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Originally Posted by JeffOYB
(Post 14314388)
I still think a Cat 5 could really use a coach on his team to help him move up to Cat 4. ...
I was talking to a guy associated with a semi local development team and I asked him if they provided any coaching - he said that they did not. He said most, if not all of their guys had coaches. The teams position was that the riders fitness was their own responsibility. He made it sound like they were more like a minor league baseball team where they bring the guys in, give them the experience and opportunity to move on to bigger things. |
Originally Posted by pecos
(Post 14363176)
I respectfully disagree. I trained my ass off this year and most of last year to do better at races with hills that I kicked my butt before. I bought a generic plan and thought I was doing great. Sure as heck better than a self-concocted series of workouts which reflect more outside pressures like work, family, finances than a desire to truly excel. But in the end, it turned out to be the wrong investment. Cheap, for sure. Much cheaper than a coach, even a modest one. But looking at some of my friends who did the sensible thing years ago and are now Cat 2's and doing well, yes, I can say that getting a coach is the best investment you can make. If given a choice between getting a medium level alum bike and money to spend on coaching vs. a late-model, carbon snazzer, I'd take the first one. Not even close, dude.
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