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Old 10-22-12, 06:58 PM
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We use Hincapie currently, much better fit and quality than the ChampSys we had 2 years ago.
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Old 10-22-12, 07:10 PM
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I had some giordana stuff that was incredibly comfortable.

Whatever hammer nutrition uses for their stuff isn't half bad either.

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I'm moving to a team that uses champ sys. sob.
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Team kits I've worn: Voler, Verge, Sfatto, Giordana, Louis Garneau, Hincapie. My favorite is Giordana, especially the high-end Alta Gamma stuff, which is what my current team wears. I LOVE it, we've used it the last two years and I hope we stick with it next year as well. After that, my preferences in descending order are probably Voler and LG (LG is a bit nicer in fit and comfort, but the shorts and the sleeves on the jerseys were a bit strange), Hincapie (very nice, but handicapped by egregious sizing - go a size smaller than you think you should with Hincapie), Verge, then Sfatto which was pretty dreadful.

In sum, Voler is probably best bang for buck; Giordana is very nice at both the high and middle range, if you're feeling cheap Verge is probably acceptable because I think their bibs are reasonably comfortable. There are just some quality issues with the zippers and what not.
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Old 10-22-12, 09:13 PM
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Forgot about Giordana. I'm still wearing 6 year old Giordana roubaix knickers from an old team. Excellent stuff.
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Old 10-23-12, 07:17 AM
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this is how you get to 39k+ posts - giving the obvious answer.
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Old 10-24-12, 10:24 AM
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The small local club uses Primal. It's terrible. The seams around the pad in the bibs are separating and the holes are getting big enough that i cant wear them anymore or my junk will be exposed. This has been the case for over 50% of the guys. The ones who had problems in the first few months got them replaced by Primal though.

My team uses Voler. Quality is average and durability has been great. We are switching for next season but I dont know who we are going to yet, details are being finalized now.
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Old 10-27-12, 10:31 AM
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Giordana - no complaints
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We're going from Voler to Squadra this year. We'll see...
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Old 10-27-12, 03:06 PM
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Used a lot over the years. Voler is nice, but the mins and the pricing leave a bit to be desired. ChampSys sucks ass. We used VoMax one year....meh. Got us through the year. If I was shopping around right now I would check out Castelli. Mainly because I know the reps and the clothing has gotten better in the last few years.

I have used and still use Pactimo. I used it for 2-3 years on the last team and I have been back on it for 2-3 years now. I have a nice contract. I get good pricing and no mins. We order a lot of clothing though. The stuff is fairly high end in design and practical. Plenty of extras that give you that complete setup feeling.
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A few years ago we used Sugoi. It was pretty nice stuff IMO and I still like and use it, but can't say what their stuff is like now.
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We use Castelli. I find the chamois extremely comfortable, everything fits well, but it does tend to run small. The price isn't bad, but I have 3 jerseys and one had the zipper go bad.
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Old 10-27-12, 08:40 PM
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We use Pactimo the last 2 seasons. Nice jerseys , bibs are ok, Prices and turnaround are awesome.

LG bibs are pretty damn nice though, had that wih another team.

Canari is the worst. IMO

Voler is ok, their bibs are really nice but the chamois feels like a diaper, way too big.
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Old 10-29-12, 02:31 AM
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I have been very impressed with Curve, their top end stuff is made in the same factory as MOA. Club stuff is made in Europe.

Also a fan of Capo, Biemme and Castelli.
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Old 11-02-12, 12:19 PM
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Our team uses Squadra. I've been happy with it. Nice material, good quality, good fit with no surprises. The chamois feels a little awkward for walking (minor wedgie feel), but feels great when riding, which is where it counts. I've heard nothing but good things about the kit from other team members, either. I don't manage the orders, but as I recall hearing from the person who does, they've been excellent to deal with, even on small orders. They also seem to have a wide selection of things that they'll customize for the team.
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Old 11-02-12, 12:20 PM
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I have a Squadra jersey which I like very much, but no experience with their bottoms.
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Presumably your LBS has existing relationships with apparel makers who will give you better deals than the open market, even if the LBS is operating through the screen of QBP. If not, convince the LBS to get a sales rep in, then show up and corner the sales rep until he gives you a deal.

Regardless, I'd imagine your LBS would want you out there riding in whatever it is they're trying to convince the 'enthusiasts' to buy. If the local 'enthusiasts' see you classy dogs looking sharp in X brand, they're more likely to buy X brand. (and maybe the LBS should help finance this reality for the benefit of you both)

(just as you wouldn't be here asking what brand of bike to buy if your sponsoring shop only carries Specialized)

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Old 12-10-12, 11:20 PM
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Interesting that so many teams do champsys and have not much good to say about it..

I had really good experience with LG...moved teams to a Castelli sponsored team and have the full gamut of their kits...Free Aero/Race Aero/San Remo/Gabba Rain..etc...Love all of it. We have the Inferno stuff in our arsenal this year..I don't know how durable it wil be and if the proclaimed savings in weight is worth it.

Back to the LG (my old team)...after I left they switched to JLVelo, and they were not as happy as they were with LG. Fit issues aside, the chamois materials/construction didn't win any body over and they had an irreparable issue with color matching the jerseys to the bibs..couldn't get the red colors the same due to fabrics used.
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My team uses CCN. On some of the older stuff I have, the zippers have fallen apart. The chamois is ok, but the stitching seems to fail all over the place on the bibs, especially the stitching holding the chamois in. I have ridden LG stuff (not team kits) and loved it. CCN is just ok. I don't have much experience with any others.
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Used a lot over the years. Voler is nice, but the mins and the pricing leave a bit to be desired. ChampSys sucks ass. We used VoMax one year....meh. Got us through the year. If I was shopping around right now I would check out Castelli. Mainly because I know the reps and the clothing has gotten better in the last few years.

I have used and still use Pactimo. I used it for 2-3 years on the last team and I have been back on it for 2-3 years now. I have a nice contract. I get good pricing and no mins. We order a lot of clothing though. The stuff is fairly high end in design and practical. Plenty of extras that give you that complete setup feeling.
Pactimo has a great ordering and delivery system, but the clothing, particularly the bibs, is one year only before it stretches too much to be useful and it's $$. Jersey's used to have these arm grippers on them that were like tourniquets, thank goodness they've gotten rid of them.

I have LG bibs from like 2006-09 that I can still wear, and find comfortable; by contrast, I have pactimo stuff from 2011 that fits like baggie pants (and i've not lost any weight).
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Old 12-11-12, 03:26 PM
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I've ridden for teams that have used Hincapie, ChampSys, and Castelli. For reference, I am 6'1.5", and vary between 165-180 lbs, getting towards the lighter end over time, and fluctuating with seasons. Here's my critique on all of em:

Hincapie - I don't know what level of products we had (2 years ago), but I think it was standard team, race-cut stuff, (not any of their really higher end) but still overall good quality.
Jersey is good, bibs are good - chamois is great, but the legs are just a little too long, so it doesn't match up with the tanlines i get from the other stuff.
Thermal jacket is excellent - differing materials on front/sides/back for great heat management, wrist zippers, dual front zipper (can unzip from bottom to shed a little extra heat without sucking cold air down directly over you).
Skinsuit leaves a little to be desired in sizing dept: I went with a medium skinsuit, and the top is a little loose in places. When I had tried the small on in the fit-kit, the top fit better, but arms were short, torso length was way short, and bibs felt definitely too tight. YMMV if you're slightly more proportional/shorter than I am.
Thus far, I've had my hincapie stuff for 2 years, and it's held up great in terms of build quality.
Wasn't involved with purchase/development, so I can't comment on dealing with them as a company.

ChampSys - the reason that people keep using them is because they have some of the best pricing, and least restrictive order mins. Great for small teams. Was loosely involved with order process, and it was straightforward enough. Decent lead time, decent design approval time, proofing, etc. There was one point where they made an error/delay in the approval portion of the process, but they gave us free expedited production so that we'd still get our stuff when they said we would (actually got to us about a week sooner), so that's pretty fair in my book.

Jersey - standard custom jersey. Not bad, but its their regular-weight one - When temps get hot (for me, ballpark of 85+.), it doesn't breathe too well, but its just fine for most riding. They do offer a lighter weight/summer specific jersey, but I've never tried.
Bibs - pretty good. Same spec as jersey - not the best heat management when temps are really high, but fine for most temperatures. Med bibs fit me great, but the chamois is only so-so.
Skinsuit - standard LS skinsuit. Used for CX. Fit is great, same chamois as above (so-so, but manageable for CX racing), arms are a tiny bit too short for me.
Build quality is OK. Jersey has been fine, I guess, but side panels of the bibs/legs of skin suit are already beginning to show wear - really really minor pilling (i guess that's what i'd call it, but its not quite that)/breakdown of fibers, all after a year or less of use.

I can't say that this is the case for new ChampSys, but for older stuff, one of the teams I've been involved with used to ride ChampSys for a while, and somewhere between a full year, to two years, ALL of the zippers broke. ALL OF THEM! While we waited for our Castelli stuff to be processed/shipped, we resorted to using a lot of safety pins...

Castelli - had this stuff since March/April, and currently undergoing a re-order with them now. Through bike shop connections, we're going through a rep. I am not involved first-hand with the order process, but I am currently an officer of our club, and from what I've seen second-hand, it seems that it helps and hurts. On the one hand, we are getting pretty good pricing on our kit, but on the other, it's an extra set of hands that everything has to go through (and from what I've been hearing, these hands aren't the most expedient about taking care of us.) Last year, we recieved our kits mid-way through the collegiate season (though I was not involved with the order process - cant say for sure how much was club leadership incompetence, or Castelli incompetence.)

As far as I know, this is all standard team order stuff. None of that fancy aero-material.

Jersey - pretty good! Fits me well enough, and handles the hot way better than the CS one.
Bibs - also fit really nice. Chamois is actually not as good as I was hoping though. It's the 'Kiss3' pad, and while it's better than the CS one, I kinda like my Hincapie bibs better in that regard. I must say the leg gripper that they use is pretty comfy though. Not leaps and bounds better than a traditional silicone leg gripper, but its still nice.

Related news: VOMax has a deal where they'll match ChampSys pricing - never ridden their stuff before, but I hear good things. Made in US if that's of concer to you. Deets on that deal here: https://info.vomax.com/jeremy-durrin-...cing-for-2013/
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Durrin is good people. If you are in a position to order kits for your club or team, and are considering VOMax, use the link and help him out. He just turned pro for Optum/KBS.
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the new champsys stuff is honestly 10000000 times better than the old stuff. the only small issue is that the chamois deteriorate after a lot of riding. Also the leg grippers start out so damn tight, then eventually just lose any tightness at all.
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If your team is considering changing your kit vendor for 2013, I'd like to put in a plug for my friend Jeremy Durrin and VOMax. Jeremy just inked his first pro road contract with Optum p/b Kelly Benefit Strategies, and also works at VOMax.. If you decide to try VOMax, use the link below to order. You'll get the best pricing, and by ordering through him, he'll get some additional benefits from VOMax which will help his fledgling pro career.

https://jeremydurrin.com/2012/12/05/h...uy-from-vomax/
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