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Old 12-04-13, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
"here's what I do and if you don't do what I say you're putting low octane in your F1.'
Correct.
Not saying what the best "high octane" is for anyone BUT can assure you that Oreos and Kit Kats aren't it.

Going to add to this a little as well.
What works for me is going to be different than what works for others, if nothing else I would hope that guys at least look at their nutrition. Stein I know you watch things very carefully and have a good handle on nutrition but most don't.

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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Correct.
Not saying what the best "high octane" is for anyone BUT can assure you that Oreos and Kit Kats aren't it.
LIES. LIES I TELL YOU!

I don't like kit kats. But I guarantee Oreos are high octane!
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Originally Posted by Creatre
LIES. LIES I TELL YOU!

I don't like kit kats. But I guarantee Oreos are high octane!
Enough ******...
You haven't contributed all week so you have to take a timeout...
Hmmm, Oreos were mentioned and yet no Hammy?!?!?!
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nobody has a good handle on nutrition
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Correct.
Not saying what the best "high octane" is for anyone BUT can assure you that Oreos and Kit Kats aren't it.

Going to add to this a little as well.
What works for me is going to be different than what works for others, if nothing else I would hope that guys at least look at their nutrition. Stein I know you watch things very carefully and have a good handle on nutrition but most don't.
What's your damage?
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oreos aren't even that good
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oreos are to cookies as olive garden is to italian food.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
oreos are to cookies as olive garden is to italian food.
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please do not compare oreos to olive garden. Olive garden is **** on a stick, oreos are a drug
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Originally Posted by mike868y
oreos aren't even that good
agreed. but cruched up on a bowl of vanilla ice cream, then we're having a different conversation
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maybe but it still pales in comparison to doing the same thing with homemade chocolate chip cookies.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
oreos are to cookies as olive garden is to italian food.
You mean kids love them and think they are the definition of gourmet cookies because their parents wouldn't buy REAL cookies for them?
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
oreos are to cookies as olive garden is to italian food.
Oreos have a couple things going for them.

1. Consistency. If you keep to the US, they're always the same. I have noticed that Canadian Oreos are somewhat different.
2. They're hyper-palatable. They've been engineered so thoroughly that the mix of sweet/salt/bitter is very, very even (there isn't much sour that I can taste). In that respect, they're spooky. They've been tweaked to spin all the dials in our brain that make us want more. That enough is reason to stay away.

This is not so unlike Budweiser beer, now that I think about it.

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Originally Posted by gsteinb
"here's what I do and if you don't do what I say you're putting low octane in your F1.'
I haven't really gotten that vibe from anyone in this thread. If I'm the one that is presenting that persona, I apologize, it wasn't intended to be that way.

To me, this thread is more like the story of the blind men and the elephant.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
maybe but it still pales in comparison to doing the same thing with homemade chocolate chip cookies.
Mike, you're such an amateur. why would you crush up a homeade choco chip cookie and put it on ice cream when you could eat the cookie and chase it with a bowl of ice cream?
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Originally Posted by echappist
you guys are arguing the finer points of metabolism with a brash punk high school student who doesn't know the first thing about insulin, and you expect a meaningful conversation?
You're right, of course, but I think I take Jsut a little differently than you do.

<Don't read this part, Jsut>
Yes, he's a brash high-school punk, but ultimately, he's not a bad kid. If I thought he was a hopeless case, I wouldn't respond to him. He's bright enough, just inexperienced. He's been dealt a good hand genetically and could probably be a domestic pro if he really worked at it (Who knows if he aspires to couch surf and make $8k/year + all the Cytomax you can drink).

<OK, you can start reading, again>

At the end of the day, I feel like we're all just sitting at the bar and shooting the $#17. It's hard to get too worked up over it.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
"here's what I do and if you don't do what I say you're putting low octane in your F1.'
FYI, high octane == lower energy density (compared to lower octane).
(learned this a long, long time ago...perhaps a ChemE can elaborate/correct if I'm wrong)
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Mike, you're such an amateur. why would you crush up a homeade choco chip cookie and put it on ice cream when you could eat the cookie and chase it with a bowl of ice cream?
Put two cookies on the bottom of the bowl, microwave, and cover with ice cream. Someone give me a smoke, I'm spent.
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
I recently realized I don't eat NEAR enough fat. I still can't quite figure out how to get enough fat into my diet. I tried snacking on nuts at work, buying 2% milk (yes I still drink cow milk), putting extra olive oil or butter or mayo on things. I am starting to try to get into peanut butter but it's hard. Salmon is fatty but too much of a pain to eat all the time!
OK, good fats.

Most milks are not going to be a source of good fats. You have to get the grass-fed stuff, and even then, I think you're better off with fermented dairy as opposed to straight milk. As far as nuts go, peanuts aren't that good of an option. I'd recommend macadamias, walnuts or butternuts (white walnuts). Olive oil is a good option. Butter from a grass-fed cow is a good option (Kerrygold is a common grass-fed brand, standard butter is not much better than margarine, which is to say, bad). Your mayo is probably made from soybean or corn oil, which is to say, bad. Make your own from olive or flax oil for a much better option.

Other ways of getting good fats are: avocado, cooking with coconut oil, omega-3 eggs, grass-fed meats, fatty fish (salmon, mackerel, black cod or sardines) and grass-fed cheeses (I like buffalo mozzarella, which I make a caprese out of).
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Originally Posted by rapwithtom
FYI, high octane == lower energy density (compared to lower octane).
(learned this a long, long time ago...perhaps a ChemE can elaborate/correct if I'm wrong)
I would say that high octane means high nutrient density regardless of the energy density. I consider leafy greens to be 'high octane' and they're low density. I also consider avocado to be 'high octane' and it's quite energy dense.

One thing that should be made clear is even though I tend to err on the lower-carb side of things, I'll make the caveat that you have to eat a necessary load of carbs for the work you have planned. If you're riding a crit or doing anaerobic intervals, you better be carb'd up or else you'll be flat as a fart.
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
OK, good fats.

Most milks are not going to be a source of good fats. You have to get the grass-fed stuff, and even then, I think you're better off with fermented dairy as opposed to straight milk. As far as nuts go, peanuts aren't that good of an option. I'd recommend macadamias, walnuts or butternuts (white walnuts). Olive oil is a good option. Butter from a grass-fed cow is a good option (Kerrygold is a common grass-fed brand, standard butter is not much better than margarine, which is to say, bad). Your mayo is probably made from soybean or corn oil, which is to say, bad. Make your own from olive or flax oil for a much better option.

Other ways of getting good fats are: avocado, cooking with coconut oil, omega-3 eggs, grass-fed meats, fatty fish (salmon, mackerel, black cod or sardines) and grass-fed cheeses (I like buffalo mozzarella, which I make a caprese out of).
I get olive oil mayo. Oh yeah, I forgot I was going to try to eat more Avocado. Do you know why grass fed everything is better (Other than "sounding" healthier)? As far as milk - I eat cereal and milk in the morning because it is fast. I can't stand the taste of whole milk though.
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Because some animals (cows) are supposed to eat grass. Feeding them corn completely messes up their digestive track (destroys the natural flora), which is why they're pumped full of antibiotics so they don't get sick.
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
I get olive oil mayo. Oh yeah, I forgot I was going to try to eat more Avocado. Do you know why grass fed everything is better (Other than "sounding" healthier)? As far as milk - I eat cereal and milk in the morning because it is fast. I can't stand the taste of whole milk though.
It changes the omega 3 to omega 6 ratio profile favorably.
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