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Old 03-07-13, 05:10 PM
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Ready to race?

Do you guys think I'm ready to race CAT 5 or Junior 15-18?

Started cycling about 6 months ago.
2011 Fuji Roubaix 1.0 with 105 components
20 mph for 30 miles
19.5 mph for 40 miles

I bike about 150 miles a week and am 15 years old.

Also if I do race, should it be Cat 5 or juniors?

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Old 03-07-13, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wsuhoops1000 View Post
Do you guys think I'm ready to race CAT 5 or Junior 15-18?

Started cycling about 6 months ago.
2011 Fuji Roubaix 1.0 with 105 components
20 mph for 30 miles
19.5 mph for 40 miles

I bike about 150 miles a week and am 15 years old.

Also if I do race, should it be Cat 5 or juniors?

Thanks
Probably not bud. But few of us were. You gotta just do it. You probably won't do well. That's ok. You might do really well. That would be awesome (and rare).

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Old 03-07-13, 05:25 PM
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i have no clue fi you are ready or not, but i say go race. It's fun! Also, race the 5 race, the junior race can be a crap shoot. You might race a kid like me, or you might race a 12 year old who can barely reach his pedals. Race lots, and you'll get better!


also i love how all these juniors are joining. Pretty soon we'll have more juniors on here than adults
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Old 03-07-13, 05:26 PM
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Couple of things:

Anyone is ready to race but results are another thing :-)

You will probably have to race Juniors at 15.

Your average MPH is good but does you no good in a road race. You will need to train to ride at other rider's pace. That includes short bursts and sprint climbs that may take you out of your HR comfort zone and you will be riding at 19-20MPH alone while the bunch is coasting together at 28-30mph and leaving you in the dust. I can speak to this from personal experience. I can nearly break the hour in a 40kTT on my crappy training bike with no aerodynamic aids but have been dropped in road races in the first 5 miles just from a lack of focus and poor race judgement. Never ride out in the wind and do everything you can to keep or to get back on the wheel in front of you. If you are suffering, most of the other guys are too.

A wise cyclist once told me that to win, you will need to clean everyone's plate before you can begin your meal.

Practice rides that do not focus on your average speed capabilities so much and start sprinting out of corners and do many short accelerations/intervals. Short hills should become sprints for you. Put yourself into some hurt during your rides. I know that keeping a high pace for a long time "hurts", but it really hurts to do intervals and sprints when your heart rate is already pegged. These will help you learn when and how hard you can push during a race.

I wish I started bike racing at 15 instead of 40. I chose to race motorcycles during my youth and wish I had done it the other way around :-)

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Old 03-07-13, 05:45 PM
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Go for it!
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Old 03-07-13, 06:27 PM
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Thanks guys! I'll go for it, I'll probably get dropped right away but maybe next time I'll hang on a little longer.

And thanks for the advice on working on not just straight speed, that would help.

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Old 03-07-13, 06:36 PM
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Look here https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...s-a-tip-or-two.

Good luck and have fun!
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This thread up here ^.

If you have no pack experience yet, riding in a big group at high speeds can be a shock to you, so I recommend to practice riding in groups close to others, bumping, holding your line around corners at high speeds and all that fun stuff. You can ride as fast as can but if you aren't careful in the pack you probably won't make it to the finish line. The only way to get better at racing, is by racing! (in general) Also, a lot of us get dropped at our first race so don't get down if you do, and good luck!

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Old 03-07-13, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sstang13 View Post
This thread up here ^.

If you have no pack experience yet, riding in a big group at high speeds can be a shock to you, so I recommend to practice riding in groups close to others, bumping, holding your line around corners at high speeds and all that fun stuff. You can ride as fast as can but if you aren't careful in the pack you probably won't make it to the finish line. The only way to get better at racing, is by racing! (in general) Also, a lot of us get dropped at our first race so don't get down if you do, and good luck!
Everyone says this...but

1.) What group ride are people bumping into each other?
2.) What cat 5 race are bumping?

Have you ever seen a cat 5 race? It's like swiss cheese.
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i've seen cat 5's bump, its how crashes happen. I also know of a lot of riders who work on bumping drills. i know i did this when i was knew. Have ur coach who out weighs you by 20 lbs run into you at full speed, all of a sudden that crit where ur bouncing around seems really easy to handle.
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
i've seen cat 5's bump, its how crashes happen. I also know of a lot of riders who work on bumping drills. i know i did this when i was knew. Have ur coach who out weighs you by 20 lbs run into you at full speed, all of a sudden that crit where ur bouncing around seems really easy to handle.
Or a less advanced version of bumping is to ride in the grass, slowly, next to someone and bang your bars/shoulders/elbows together. It will get you used to the feeling of leaning into someone if need be.

Cat 5's don't necessarily bump on purpose, but they do on accident and that's how a lot of crashes happen.
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what is this less advanced version you speak off? didnt everyone go through the sink or swim version????

He used to pull this **** when ever we rode together With no warning i could be riding in the ditch. It helped alot, but was freaky as hell when you weren't expecting it.
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Old 03-07-13, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
Or a less advanced version of bumping is to ride in the grass, slowly, next to someone and bang your bars/shoulders/elbows together. It will get you used to the feeling of leaning into someone if need be.

Cat 5's don't necessarily bump on purpose, but they do on accident and that's how a lot of crashes happen.
As I mentioned in a clinic recently, it's often not the initial incident that causes a crash, it's people over-reacting that causes the crash. With experience riders can bump into each other in a race and not even bother mentioning it or moving much ... just keep rolling along.

Same with potholes etc... don't swerve and freak out those around you. Do a little bunnyhop over it and keep your line.
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
what is this less advanced version you speak off? didnt everyone go through the sink or swim version????

He used to pull this **** when ever we rode together With no warning i could be riding in the ditch. It helped alot, but was freaky as hell when you weren't expecting it.
We used to hit each other's brake levers when screwing around. I often have a buddy that will come by and smack me on the front of the elbow so my arm gives out - fugger
Often while in a group ride someone will come by and grab my saddle or hip and make me tow them.
Playing around makes you a better rider.
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Old 03-07-13, 08:50 PM
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Ready to race?
Well, lets see.

Easy ride today. That would be about 3h of easy riding this week. (Sick, tired, work etc)
Last week I was on vacation.

Well, I think I'm ready to race Murrieta this weekend.

Seriously, I have no business of going to any race but as they say, racing is the best training and since I signed up for San Dimas I have two weeks to get ready, otherwise I would skip this.

If I'm not dead last in tomorrow's TT, there must be something really wrong with the person finishing behind me because I'm not even bringing my TT bike

So to answer your question, yes you are more than ready. At least compare to me
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Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
We used to hit each other's brake levers when screwing around. I often have a buddy that will come by and smack me on the front of the elbow so my arm gives out - fugger
Often while in a group ride someone will come by and grab my saddle or hip and make me tow them.
Playing around makes you a better rider.
I love this, I once went on a century ride which was with a bunch of old guys..but they are FAST guys, some of them at least.. One of them was a 70+ year old ex-pro, he would grab people's seat bags and pull them back as he easily coasted forward, it was hilarious to watch, I'm glad I didn't have a saddle bag

@ngchi - no I never saw a cat 5 race or been in one because I'm in Canada, we only have age groups...sometimes I like the category idea better though.
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Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
We used to hit each other's brake levers when screwing around. I often have a buddy that will come by and smack me on the front of the elbow so my arm gives out - fugger
Often while in a group ride someone will come by and grab my saddle or hip and make me tow them.
Playing around makes you a better rider.
you just described any ride with me if i know you're a good rider. I love the grabbing the saddle rails up a climb, and just holding on for a bit. It's pretty funny to see peoples' reaction when they realize they have been pulling an extra 155 lbs up a climb.
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
what is this less advanced version you speak off? didnt everyone go through the sink or swim version????

He used to pull this **** when ever we rode together With no warning i could be riding in the ditch. It helped alot, but was freaky as hell when you weren't expecting it.
Actually, I kind of did.
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Old 03-08-13, 12:13 AM
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There's bumping in every category. It just causes more crashes in Cat 5.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
There's bumping in every category. It just causes more crashes in Cat 5.
In the lower categories (4/5) I think it is more accidental. In the higher (p/1) there is accidental but an awful lot of intentional and strategic.
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Sstang you have a lot of track riders your way as well. Ever ride with ziggy?
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Take this for what it's worth...

I started cycling almost 5 years ago at age 37. Casually at first. 2012 was my first race season, and also the first season I began specific race training.

I could do your average speeds for those distances (but just barely because we have lots of rollers and short hills). Heck, to be honest, I still struggle to do that solo, but I'm weak and old. Anyway, in all my road races last year, I did fine. Finished with the pack. The first crit I got dropped but that's typical.

So, you'll probably do fine. You have youth on your side. Go forth and conquer.

Originally Posted by wsuhoops1000 View Post
Do you guys think I'm ready to race CAT 5 or Junior 15-18?

Started cycling about 6 months ago.
2011 Fuji Roubaix 1.0 with 105 components

20 mph for 30 miles
19.5 mph for 40 miles


I bike about 150 miles a week and am 15 years old.

Also if I do race, should it be Cat 5 or juniors
?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by sstang13 View Post
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@ngchi - no I never saw a cat 5 race or been in one because I'm in Ontario, we only have age groups...sometimes I like the category idea better though.
Fixed it for you. ;-)


Anything but a crit... My first race was was a cat4 provincial crit in 1989, my team captain told me I should head off the front right away and try to lap the field which almost worked...FFWD... I was caught with three laps to go and desperately trying to hold on...last lap and it was gonna end up in a field sprint that I'd never make as the guy three up from me washed out in the last corner taking me a several others, bike was a total wreck (taco wheels and broken RDH). Too sum it up, that really turned me off racing for a couple years, I really wished I would have started with a RR.
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the idea that crits are more dangerous than road races is idiotic.
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the idea that crits are more dangerous than road races is idiotic.
just IME, but thanks for the comment
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