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One race, lots of overlapping fields, anyone know why?

Old 03-18-13, 12:52 PM
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One race, lots of overlapping fields, anyone know why?

I'm looking to race a race that has several fields. (Trooper Brinkerhoff Memorial (Johnny Cake)). There is an A (M 1/2/3, W 1/2) 60 miles, B (M 3/4, M 45+, W 1/2/3) 48 miles, C (M 4/5, M 5+, W 3/4) 35 miles, and D (M 5/Citizens, M 65+, W 4) 24 miles. Each field starts 2 minutes from the other. I've seen overlap where people can race multiple times in one day, but this seems odd to me.

Curious if anyone knows why they did this, or if the reason is simply to allow people to pick their distance and competition, resulting in a bigger turnout.
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My guess is that a) people don't usually do two RRs in a day and b) it means the day is shorter for the organizers, which means less cost.
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Very common to run multiple fields at a time on a road course. Otherwise they would still be racing at 11 pm. 2 minutes is a small gap though. Usually 5 or so.
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The Bs aren't catching the As.
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That makes sense, but why not just put the 5s in the D, the 4s in the C and the 3s in the B and the 1/2 in the A and be done with it.

This just seems to over complicate it. For instance, now I need to decide if I want 24 miles in the D with the 5s or 35 miles in the C with the 4s and 5s (yeah, I know, there are bigger issues in the world). When it's different races I get it, more income from the same stream. For this, it just seems odd.

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It's not the spread, the multiple on the same course, or the catch up I was curious about, but the cross categorization in a situation where it doesn't result in more racing.
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it really doesn't seem that obtuse to me


Field A (Mar23): P/1/2/3, W/1/2 60 miles 11:00 AM $35 400 100
Field B (Mar23) Cat 3/4, 45+, W/1/2/3 48 miles 11:02 AM $35 200 100
Field C (Mar23) Cat 4/5, 55+, W3/4 36 miles 11:04 AM $35 T-Shirts 75
Field D (Mar23) Cat 5, 65+, W4 24 miles 11:06 AM $30 T-Shirts 75
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I'll re-phrase. Why allow a 5 to choose between those 2 fields? Just to attract 5s who will sign up for a 36 mile race but not a 24 mile one? Why allow a 4 to choose between two races? Just to attract a 4 who won't get out of bed for 36 miles but will for 48? I get it where you collect more entry fees for the same amount of racing, but this seemed odd to me. Maybe I'm just obtuse.
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It's really not that complicated. Last year they had A, B, and C. This year they added a fourth field. More racing in less time. Nothing more than that.

Johnnycake, even with the hill, is a very flat road race. For the "upper categories", it's more like a circuit race as you will do multiple laps for distance.

The wind can be brutal out there. You will ride about 2 miles neutral to the start to line up. You will go around the circuit however many times your field is destined to go. There will be lap cards at the start line. On the final lap you will turn left onto the finish straight. The distances to the line are marked. It is open, wide, and usually into a stiff headwind. The fast line is through the middle of the corner to the right hand side. Timing is on the left. Bottom line, you do not finish where you start.

Choose the field based on your priorities. It's a fundraiser, so there's not a lot of prize money. If you want to ride for placing, do the easier race. If you want to ride in the better field, ride with better riders (debatable), and get a better workout, race "up".
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
It's really not that complicated. Last year they had A, B, and C. This year they added a fourth field. More racing in less time. Nothing more than that.

Johnnycake, even with the hill, is a very flat road race. For the "upper categories", it's more like a circuit race as you will do multiple laps for distance.

The wind can be brutal out there. You will ride about 2 miles neutral to the start to line up. You will go around the circuit however many times your field is destined to go. There will be lap cards at the start line. On the final lap you will turn left onto the finish straight. The distances to the line are marked. It is open, wide, and usually into a stiff headwind. The fast line is through the middle of the corner to the right hand side. Timing is on the left. Bottom line, you do not finish where you start.

Choose the field based on your priorities. It's a fundraiser, so there's not a lot of prize money. If you want to ride for placing, do the easier race. If you want to ride in the better field, ride with better riders (debatable), and get a better workout, race "up".
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Originally Posted by island rider
I'll re-phrase. Why allow a 5 to choose between those 2 fields? Just to attract 5s who will sign up for a 36 mile race but not a 24 mile one? Why allow a 4 to choose between two races? Just to attract a 4 who won't get out of bed for 36 miles but will for 48? I get it where you collect more entry fees for the same amount of racing, but this seemed odd to me. Maybe I'm just obtuse.
Early season race. Some might decide they want more mileage. Others may not feel they're fit enough yet. Doesn't seem that weird.

I say this as a 46 year old Cat 3, so I often have the choice of several fields. Sometimes I'll choose based on who's racing, sometimes based on mileage, sometimes based on what time the race is. It's good to have choices.
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It's very common to give 4's the option of racing either with the 3's or the 5's. Often options for the 5's as well. IMO, it's less a question of the distance, and more about who else is in the field. I race mostly Masters, and 'qualify' for 55+. But with those offerings, I'd choose the B race.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
It's really not that complicated. Last year they had A, B, and C. This year they added a fourth field. More racing in less time. Nothing more than that.

Johnnycake, even with the hill, is a very flat road race. For the "upper categories", it's more like a circuit race as you will do multiple laps for distance.

The wind can be brutal out there. You will ride about 2 miles neutral to the start to line up. You will go around the circuit however many times your field is destined to go. There will be lap cards at the start line. On the final lap you will turn left onto the finish straight. The distances to the line are marked. It is open, wide, and usually into a stiff headwind. The fast line is through the middle of the corner to the right hand side. Timing is on the left. Bottom line, you do not finish where you start.

Choose the field based on your priorities. It's a fundraiser, so there's not a lot of prize money. If you want to ride for placing, do the easier race. If you want to ride in the better field, ride with better riders (debatable), and get a better workout, race "up".
Different course this year. I'm a new CBRC member and from what I've heard they changed it a bit. A little more rolling, and each lap is longer, I think 12 mile laps. Same general area though so I imagine the wind won't be too different.
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From what I understand it is the course they used to do on week three with the hill in it.
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That is certainly possible, I wouldn't know. I've just heard people saying they are using something different. Will you be around for any of them?
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
It's really not that complicated. Last year they had A, B, and C. This year they added a fourth field. More racing in less time. Nothing more than that.

Johnnycake, even with the hill, is a very flat road race. For the "upper categories", it's more like a circuit race as you will do multiple laps for distance.

The wind can be brutal out there. You will ride about 2 miles neutral to the start to line up. You will go around the circuit however many times your field is destined to go. There will be lap cards at the start line. On the final lap you will turn left onto the finish straight. The distances to the line are marked. It is open, wide, and usually into a stiff headwind. The fast line is through the middle of the corner to the right hand side. Timing is on the left. Bottom line, you do not finish where you start.

Choose the field based on your priorities. It's a fundraiser, so there's not a lot of prize money. If you want to ride for placing, do the easier race. If you want to ride in the better field, ride with better riders (debatable), and get a better workout, race "up".
hi all...haven't been around in a while, but it's racing season now, and i always end up back here eventually...

this was really helpful. thanks, shovel.

i'll be racing P/1/2/3...there's an ECCC race the next day at bard college, so a couple of teammates and i are going up for this on saturday to make it a full weekend.
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Originally Posted by island rider
I'll re-phrase. Why allow a 5 to choose between those 2 fields?
As stated its good to have choices.

For a 5 who's doing his first race, the D race is likely a good choice.

For a 5 with a few races, and knows they can ride with 4/5 the C race will be more challenging.
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Originally Posted by rankin116
That is certainly possible, I wouldn't know. I've just heard people saying they are using something different. Will you be around for any of them?
If you ask them if it's the old "week three" course, they'll know what you mean. I wasn't planning on doing the Cake on Easter weekend, but if I do, that's when I will be there, A field. Even though there is an M55+ field, that wouldn't be fair to me or the Cat4's. Right now I am planning on going to Ninigret to race the M50+ and M40+.

Now your Capitol Region road race, that has an M55+ field, is on my radar.
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Ah ok. Well hope we run into each other at one of them.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
For a 5 who's doing his first race, the D race is likely a good choice.

For a 5 with a few races, and knows they can ride with 4/5 the C race will be more challenging.
But what if you are a 5 who's not sure he can ride with anyone? I figure the 4/5 will be better training either way. With my luck I'd signup for the D and get dusted there too, but not get a good ride in because it's too short. Thanks guys.
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If you're not sure, do the D.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd

the wind will be brutal out there.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
If you're not sure, do the D.
Nah, I can hang. I may not win. But I can hang. At this point in the season, it's training anyway. More miles = More training.
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Whatever. You know yourself best.
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