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"training" crit vs "race" crit? First race

Old 04-26-13, 05:57 AM
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"training" crit vs "race" crit? First race

I have my first real race tomorrow morning and trying to figure out what to expect. Last summer I did a bunch of "training" crits, cat 4-5 level. It appeared that it was taken seriously, a sprint lap every other lap with team lead outs and people working together. The last lap speeds went up considerably with again a more contested sprint to the line. I was able to hold my own and learned a lot about positioning and finding the better riders to stay with. Will a real race be much different? There were numerous breaks in these training races, but they were for the sprint points, and then the group caught back up. I am a Cat 5 and will be up against only other Cat 5's. The "training" races were at Table mountain, in Denver area, and the race tomorrow is at federal center in case there are some locals who have some advice.
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It depends...

The local Wed night training crit has been faster than sanctioned P123 crits I've been in if no break goes up the road. This is my exp from the A race. The B race looks like most 4-5 crits with lots of pseudo breaks but usually ends up in a field sprint.
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I still really don't know what a training crit is.

Any TSS for it? Reg fee? Finish line?
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Originally Posted by denvertrout
I have my first real race tomorrow morning and trying to figure out what to expect. Last summer I did a bunch of "training" crits, cat 4-5 level. It appeared that it was taken seriously, a sprint lap every other lap with team lead outs and people working together. The last lap speeds went up considerably with again a more contested sprint to the line. I was able to hold my own and learned a lot about positioning and finding the better riders to stay with. Will a real race be much different? There were numerous breaks in these training races, but they were for the sprint points, and then the group caught back up. I am a Cat 5 and will be up against only other Cat 5's. The "training" races were at Table mountain, in Denver area, and the race tomorrow is at federal center in case there are some locals who have some advice.
Disclaimer: local races vary

Some training crits are very hard. It sounds like your training crits were reasonable and encouraged teamwork etc. I think you'll find that in training crits people try stuff because if you get shelled it's no big deal (some races allow lapped riders to jump back in). In a "real" race riders seem to take less chances because "it counts" (whatever that means - I do some of my experimenting in "real" races). Typically the attacks are more serious and/or everyone sits around waiting for someone else to go.

If you're doing a Cat 5 only race I think you'll find it easier and maybe a bit less flowing than the 4-5 training crits you did.

If there's no motivation to go hard every other lap the races tend to get a bit more negative so you'll see more riders waiting. For example a Cat 5 told me that in the Cat 5 race last week at Bethel that they were going 17-18 mph - this is slower than what we were doing in the clinic before the race on other weeks, and 22-28 mph is reasonable given the wind, grade, surface, etc. In other races the riders regularly see 28-32 mph on the same stretches of road, 35+ mph when it's fast.

Good luck out there.
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I don't know what "TSS" means? There is a fee, and yes a finish line Speed was generally in the upper 20's with sprints all out.

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I'm gonna guess that the pure 5 race will be choppier and less predictable. There will be some who have ridden with a team some and done practice crits, but a lot who haven't. Concentrate on being alert and aware and staying near the front.
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Basically a race is a race...call it what you will.
In general your description is pretty standard for a crit...many start out quite fast to burn off the weak in the first few laps then it settles down to who knows, as has been said it depends on the number of racers, intent, etc., then the last few laps increasingly heat up and settle down as position jockeying begins. Last lap is usually the barn burner.
Remain in the top ten but spend little time leading. Don't be hung up on following a wheel. Be more aware of where you are and your sprint zone...don't get caught behind tentative sprinters or a rider unable to keep up due to lack of strength...find your own line and go for it.

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Entry fee + number = real race. You all know my thought on "training' race
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Entry fee + number = real race. You all know my thought on "training' race
With the exception of the OP and any other beginners following the thread. You know, basically the people this thread is for.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I still really don't know what a training crit is.

Any TSS for it? Reg fee? Finish line?
yup
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Entry fee + number = real race. You all know my thought on "training' race
yup
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Two differences. They may be regional.

The training crits around here tend to be USAC Class E events. You can look up what that means. They also may have an official, but they may not, or the official is racing. The difference is in the results. There is rarely timing and scoring set up, so only the top, prize paying (if any prizes at all) places are scored. No results are sent to USAC, thus no upgrade points are available unless the official is able to corroborate your story with the region's upgrade official.
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As long as there's the potential to win my entry fee back, it's a racerace.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Two differences. They may be regional.

The training crits around here tend to be USAC Class E events. You can look up what that means. They also may have an official, but they may not, or the official is racing. The difference is in the results. There is rarely timing and scoring set up, so only the top, prize paying (if any prizes at all) places are scored. No results are sent to USAC, thus no upgrade points are available unless the official is able to corroborate your story with the region's upgrade official.
I have a story for you...
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Around here, training crits are just because they are series and easier to permit through USACYCLING. I think that is the same as series e. Results are posted and count.

The races are fast, but the courses tend to be easier.
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our training crit is a 2 mile loops that's hella fun. getting 2 hours of racing in one night is great, and the fastest boys come, and we all have some fun racing saround in circles. I still want to win same as any race, and i deff want the 20 bucks to pay for my post race mcdonalds
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Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining
our training crit is a 2 mile loops that's hella fun. getting 2 hours of racing in one night is great, and the fastest boys come, and we all have some fun racing saround in circles. I still want to win same as any race, and i deff want the 20 bucks to pay for my post race mcdonalds
Considering I've never seen road construction stay on schedule, I think it's hosed for this year. :-(
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Entry fee + number = real race. You all know my thought on "training' race
No, actually....
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Originally Posted by sstang13
No, actually....
The ice cream truck is a metaphor for the moon no one gives a **** about.
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Entry fee + number = real race. You all know my thought on "training' race
Maybe. Money and/or upgrade points on the line, then it's a real race in my book. If it doesn't have those, then it's just 'training'. I don't know if the 'race' part is necessary. When 'training', I'll tend to ride in a more aggressive manner including somewhat senseless attacks (at the gun, for instance...there's no way I'll ever make an attack like that stick). 'Training' is nice in the respect that I really could care less if I'm dropped. I'm going to have a good ride regardless. In a 'real' race, I'm only OK with getting dropped if I've done work for a teammate and basically ridden the wheels off myself for the team.
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