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08-14-15, 12:56 PM
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08-14-15, 01:44 PM
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No joke though, I miss Boston and the bike people. Just *maybe* I'll have a chance of hanging on up hills for the first half of p12 races season tho.
08-14-15, 02:26 PM
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08-14-15, 02:33 PM
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I'm curious, what are the various towns' apprehensions about road races? Do residents view these events as big inconveniences to their weekend routines? Just seems that events like ToH, Purgatory and Harvard are held in pretty quiet communities that, from my perspective, don't seem that highly disruptive. I just see how many running events go on and don't get the sense that their is much antipathy toward those.
08-14-15, 02:33 PM
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Silly as it may sound, now I'm trying to decide between Rockleigh and Thater next week.
Thater pros: masters field, NY state champ race, hang out with GMT
Thater cons: so far away
Rockleigh pros: close, always fun
Rockleigh cons: it's just Rockleigh
Thater pros: masters field, NY state champ race, hang out with GMT
Thater cons: so far away
Rockleigh pros: close, always fun
Rockleigh cons: it's just Rockleigh
08-14-15, 02:50 PM
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I'm biased. I've won the race you are contemplating, solo, against some of the best racers on the east coast. It's special.
08-14-15, 03:23 PM
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Also, I suck as a bike racer, but I am trying to maintain equanimity. I was told it would take 3-5 years to figure out the bike racing thing, so far I am in my second season, I have learned a lot, but the stage race reminded me there is still much to learn, as well as training to do. Still fun as hell regardless.
08-14-15, 04:29 PM
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And yeah, I'm in my 5th year racing, with the last two being more focused and maybe it's because I'm racing master's guys with years of racing on me, but I still feel a bit noobish. The patience I see out of the guys with decades of races is something I aspire to.
08-14-15, 04:38 PM
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You have it sort of wrong. I know why people get irritated, I just don't mind it.
Yesterday's grass-fire of animosity centered around me holding an unpopular opinion that clipping in 3 seconds late could not ever "cost" someone a race. I heard a bunch of ****ty examples which did not sway me, then I heard two which changed my opinion from "not ever" to "I guess in rare circumstances it could/had happened" where someone's ability to win the race went to zero because of that circumstance.
People got offended that the earlier examples didn't change my mind for whatever reason. It got ascribed to be disrespecting the source, but that ascribing was not done by me, it was crowdsourced, incorrectly.
Then people get angrier because I don't feel bad about it, like at all. Maybe I could, for the sake of everyone's eyeballs, just stop replying and let it die, but I find it kind of fun to go back and forth. I dunno, I'm competitive and the back and forth doesn't bother me. I waited tables, worked hotel desks, uni housing front desks, and I arbitrate like 200 damage charges/year. I think I'm good at that customer-service side (and my work history reflects that) because I don't take the negativity personally and like in here, I don't mind discussing it.
Again, yesterday was interesting for me because I was pretty quickly convinced to move my belief from A -> B. I'm not sure why everyone cares if I'm over here holding some incorrect thought, anyway, but from the group perspective I was but am now not. I'm unclear what I am supposed to feel regret about. If you want to "give me a clue", aim it at that.
Yesterday's grass-fire of animosity centered around me holding an unpopular opinion that clipping in 3 seconds late could not ever "cost" someone a race. I heard a bunch of ****ty examples which did not sway me, then I heard two which changed my opinion from "not ever" to "I guess in rare circumstances it could/had happened" where someone's ability to win the race went to zero because of that circumstance.
People got offended that the earlier examples didn't change my mind for whatever reason. It got ascribed to be disrespecting the source, but that ascribing was not done by me, it was crowdsourced, incorrectly.
Then people get angrier because I don't feel bad about it, like at all. Maybe I could, for the sake of everyone's eyeballs, just stop replying and let it die, but I find it kind of fun to go back and forth. I dunno, I'm competitive and the back and forth doesn't bother me. I waited tables, worked hotel desks, uni housing front desks, and I arbitrate like 200 damage charges/year. I think I'm good at that customer-service side (and my work history reflects that) because I don't take the negativity personally and like in here, I don't mind discussing it.
Again, yesterday was interesting for me because I was pretty quickly convinced to move my belief from A -> B. I'm not sure why everyone cares if I'm over here holding some incorrect thought, anyway, but from the group perspective I was but am now not. I'm unclear what I am supposed to feel regret about. If you want to "give me a clue", aim it at that.
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08-14-15, 04:59 PM
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Like how unpopular on a scale of 1 - 10? Should I have said how "wrong" my opinion(s) is/are/were, because there's like 200 replies about how "wrong" they are?
Also, is that the "clue"? I put a lot of thought into my post and "nobody gives a **** about how "unpopular ..." is a pretty vague clue. The evidence, in word count, seems contrary.
Also, is that the "clue"? I put a lot of thought into my post and "nobody gives a **** about how "unpopular ..." is a pretty vague clue. The evidence, in word count, seems contrary.
08-14-15, 05:01 PM
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Unofficially I was in my car on my way home after the first lap on that year, but somehow they scored me 6th.
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
08-14-15, 05:07 PM
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I'm curious, what are the various towns' apprehensions about road races? Do residents view these events as big inconveniences to their weekend routines? Just seems that events like ToH, Purgatory and Harvard are held in pretty quiet communities that, from my perspective, don't seem that highly disruptive. I just see how many running events go on and don't get the sense that their is much antipathy toward those.
I got shot down when I proposed a race in my own town.
Risk manager for the town: "Didn't someone die at your race in 2012?"
What do I say?
"It was a freak accident" (and it was). "It could happen anywhere."
"So you're saying it could happen here?"
"I held races for over 20 years."
"So we have a 5% chance of someone dying each year in a race in our town?"
"I promoted 140 races, give or take."
"So the odds are about 1 in a 140 that someone will die in a race I approve?"
Apparently our town has two wrongful death suits against them right now.
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
08-14-15, 05:20 PM
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Like how unpopular on a scale of 1 - 10? Should I have said how "wrong" my opinion(s) is/are/were, because there's like 200 replies about how "wrong" they are?
Also, is that the "clue"? I put a lot of thought into my post and "nobody gives a **** about how "unpopular ..." is a pretty vague clue. The evidence, in word count, seems contrary.
Also, is that the "clue"? I put a lot of thought into my post and "nobody gives a **** about how "unpopular ..." is a pretty vague clue. The evidence, in word count, seems contrary.
Sorry you put a lot of thought into you post but I'm getting off this merry-go-round.
08-16-15, 06:47 PM
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Ugh, sad
80-year-old bicyclist dies during Rhode Island race - The Boston Globe
of course there are some yahoos already making distasteful comments like they did with the commuter who was struck recently
80-year-old bicyclist dies during Rhode Island race - The Boston Globe
of course there are some yahoos already making distasteful comments like they did with the commuter who was struck recently
08-17-15, 05:12 AM
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Unfortunately, I was. This was the New England Road TT Championships and I was the starter official. I'm not going to repeat rumors or secondhand information. He looked fine when I rolled him to the line. I knew Pete. He was actively racing when I returned to the sport in 2010. He was calm, focused and in the zone. My orthopedist started six riders behind him and was the first medical professional on the scene. He attempted CPR but he was gone by then. His helmet was split in half. There were multiple witnesses so a police investigation is under way.
The following day the same organization that runs the TT runs a crit. Every Masters field rode a neutral first lap in Pete's honor. His best friend and teammate wore a black jersey and both his and Pete's numbers. We did not pull any riders all day. We asked that lapped riders not assist the break. Of course that is not a hard and fast rule so some riders were indignant and got upset. They missed the point. We wanted everyone to finish their race. This is what the promoter wanted after a death the day before.
The following day the same organization that runs the TT runs a crit. Every Masters field rode a neutral first lap in Pete's honor. His best friend and teammate wore a black jersey and both his and Pete's numbers. We did not pull any riders all day. We asked that lapped riders not assist the break. Of course that is not a hard and fast rule so some riders were indignant and got upset. They missed the point. We wanted everyone to finish their race. This is what the promoter wanted after a death the day before.
08-21-15, 10:39 AM
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Thater Saturday? I see @Grumpy McTrumpy and @Hls2k6 (I think? I know his team but not sure on the name) registered. And me.