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Old 12-18-18, 09:33 AM
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Is it A Thing that "tubeless ready" rims are SUPER f-ing hard to mount non-tubeless tires on to?

Anyway anyone have experience with these? Or mounting regular tires on "tubeless ready" rims in general?
OMG yes. I almost broke the rim...yes, the rim, of a wheel trying to get Schwalbe Pro Ones on once...it was terrible. It was equally hard getting them off. I almost just cut them off with tin snips.
I've since switched to a handful of tubeless compatible (instead of tubeless ready; WTF is there a distinction there?) wheels and mounting has been much easier, if I can't do it by hand, a bead jack makes it simple/quick.

The soap and water recommendation I thought is usually for 'seating' rather than mounting.
I bought one of those AirShot things. It works surprisingly well with the 6 Hutchinson Road tubeless and 2 WTB 650b tires I've seated.
Coat bead with soapy water, mount tires, pour a little bit of soapy water on the rim bed, just enough to lubricate, then remove core, attach Airshot (pre-pumped to 120+psi), hit the switch, and boom. Seated.
Remove airshot carefully, add sealant, replace core, pump with regular floor pump. The shake the crap out of it and do the normal tubeless dance of letting it sit horizontal on each side for a bit.
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Old 12-18-18, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
Is it A Thing that "tubeless ready" rims are SUPER f-ing hard to mount non-tubeless tires on to?

I got some DT Switss P1600's for training wheels - they're "tubeless ready" but I just want to run them with gp4000s & tubes.

I gave up after five minutes of struggling to get the tire on.. I could maybe get it done, but really wondering if I want to repeat that struggle on the side of the road. Much less on the side of the road in the rain..

Perusing the user manual, it says to use "soap & water" to mount the tires... wtf.

Maybe it's just these wheels, maybe the tire, maybe it's just me, dunno.

Anyway anyone have experience with these? Or mounting regular tires on "tubeless ready" rims in general?
hahahahah. yes! I knew those ENVE wheels were a pain in my ass to mount tires on and I avoided using them forever outside races. I gave up, thinking "how bad could it be" when I needed another carbon set of wheels and began using them. The day after I got my first training-ride flat and spent 30 minutes with another dude, using 3 levers and 4 hands, changing a tube on the side of the road I sold them.

Un-****ing-believable. I don't have the patience for that. Turned the ENVE 7.7 into the zipps which I can mount tires on without levers.
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Old 12-18-18, 11:34 AM
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i have. but on the e-motion ones, which aren't as penal as other more typical/standard rollers.
tbf I think it's possible, I just suck at rollers and have bad nerves in general so I avoid it. much easier to hook up a nice trainer and focus on the warmup rather than trying to not fall.
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I'm getting a deal on spec through my team this year on a new bike and I'm heavily debating a venge vs a tarmac. Both similar builds but venge is a few hundred bucks more. I'd put an aero road bar on the tarmac because I prefer that feeling and it would close down the aero gap between the two bikes.

What do others think?
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Old 01-08-19, 07:07 PM
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I work in a Specialized shop and we've sold a few '19 Venges. The consensus is that they're notably faster than the Tarmacs. I haven't ridden either, just reporting what the riders said.
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i'd take a tarmac over a venge any day although that's probably a decision driven by aesthetics more than anything else.

speaking of aero bars, has anyone tried the aluminum bontrager ones? i need new bars regardless and they also offer these in 38cm so I figure it's a worthwhile investment.

https://www.trekbikes.com/za/en_ZA/e...lebar/p/23238/
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Old 01-09-19, 04:32 PM
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I work in a Specialized shop and we've sold a few '19 Venges. The consensus is that they're notably faster than the Tarmacs. I haven't ridden either, just reporting what the riders said.
choice-supportive bias and like .03% truth maybe.
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
i'd take a tarmac over a venge any day although that's probably a decision driven by aesthetics more than anything else.

speaking of aero bars, has anyone tried the aluminum bontrager ones? i need new bars regardless and they also offer these in 38cm so I figure it's a worthwhile investment.

https://www.trekbikes.com/za/en_ZA/e...lebar/p/23238/
I have not tried them but I know people who have reported that they are "fine."

Given your size I wouldn't imagine much flex or anything.
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Old 01-10-19, 06:37 AM
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I've heard two complaints about those Bontrager bars:
1. They're heavy.
2. The internal routing is not great and the metal edges on the routing holes kind of cuts into the housing. (Which really shouldn't cause a performance issue.)
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Old 01-10-19, 07:59 AM
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thanks for the comments. do you all happen to know if they're heavy compared to other aluminums bars or heavy compared to carbon bars? it's either those or some standard round tubing aluminum bars. i feel like it'd be pretty easy to file down the edges of the routing holes to dull the edges?
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From Bontrager's website: 380mm = 320g 400mm = 330g 420mm = 340g 440mm = 350g

I feel like I had seen reports though that they were closer to 390g for a 42.
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Old 01-10-19, 09:17 AM
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I've used a set for a few years now, I'm more or less indifferent about them. Would I buy them again, sure.

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I've heard two complaints about those Bontrager bars:
1. They're heavy.
2. The internal routing is not great and the metal edges on the routing holes kind of cuts into the housing. (Which really shouldn't cause a performance issue.)
Both are true, its dug in a bit into the plastic cover of the cables. The weight is a compromise (and I don't know the exact numbers but its not a carbon bar so its heavy). This is a bar $100 lighter than other aero bars (because carbon) and you're still saving 5 watts or so over a round tube handlebar.
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Old 01-10-19, 10:30 AM
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Any tips on using a silca disc wheel adapter? Keeps leaking. I can’t hold it and pump 100 psi at the same time.

Maybe I should cut up an old tube and squeeze some of that under the adapter while it is seated.
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Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
I've used a set for a few years now, I'm more or less indifferent about them. Would I buy them again, sure.



Both are true, its dug in a bit into the plastic cover of the cables. The weight is a compromise (and I don't know the exact numbers but its not a carbon bar so its heavy). This is a bar $100 lighter than other aero bars (because carbon) and you're still saving 5 watts or so over a round tube handlebar.
yeah there's no way i'd ever spend the money on a carbon bar given my grad school salary and i've been using the same specialized bars for 6 years now so I'm not picky, just looking for something that works and saves a few W in the process. there also aren't a ton of bars available in 38cm, which is nice.
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Any tips on using a silca disc wheel adapter? Keeps leaking. I can’t hold it and pump 100 psi at the same time.

Maybe I should cut up an old tube and squeeze some of that under the adapter while it is seated.
Good luck. I hate pumping up tires on my disc or tri spoke. My crack pipe just hates me. I used a friend's ENVE one and it was nicer but I deal with it for the money savings lol
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