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05-06-16, 08:37 PM
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Soooo, it looks like I may be staying with my current gig.
I spoke with my current employer, who immediately offered to match the salary of the new position, but I told him that I would need more and wasn't interested in negotiating. He asked what it would take, and I told him that it would take a significant raise, a few grand cash in my pocket right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher salary in 3 years. He told me that he had to think about it for a few hours, and then summoned me to his office 15 minutes later with a very enthusiastic "yes", and with the usual spiel: he sees me being a central and core part of the team, and not to disclose this to other associates for fairness, and the like.
Wow.
Well, I do like my job and quality of life, it was mainly the money that I was chasing down with new employment. There are some bad sides to not accepting the new position and as such I haven't entirely made up my mind, but I'm fairly certain that I'm going to stay.
Woohoo!
I spoke with my current employer, who immediately offered to match the salary of the new position, but I told him that I would need more and wasn't interested in negotiating. He asked what it would take, and I told him that it would take a significant raise, a few grand cash in my pocket right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher salary in 3 years. He told me that he had to think about it for a few hours, and then summoned me to his office 15 minutes later with a very enthusiastic "yes", and with the usual spiel: he sees me being a central and core part of the team, and not to disclose this to other associates for fairness, and the like.
Wow.
Well, I do like my job and quality of life, it was mainly the money that I was chasing down with new employment. There are some bad sides to not accepting the new position and as such I haven't entirely made up my mind, but I'm fairly certain that I'm going to stay.
Woohoo!
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05-06-16, 09:42 PM
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'don't tell anyone else what you're making.'
either everyone else is getting more, or you're getting more. i.e., don't force us to reveal how we're screwing someone!
(on a personal level, congrats to you. that's awesome!!!)
05-06-16, 09:57 PM
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It's illegal in CA and maybe in your state too, to dissuade or penalize employees from discussing compensation amongst themselves.
05-06-16, 10:12 PM
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Quick Google seems to indicate it's illegal everywhere because of national labor laws. At least for the majority of private employees. Never knew that. They always tell us at work not to discuss it. It's certainly heavily implied if not actually written down.
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At my last job it was somewhat of an unwritten rule to not discuss salary. However, those of us that managed the projects had to know all the salaries to track multipliers, profits, etc.
New job is public and I suppose tax payers may want to know what they pay me ... so the agency makes that info public.
New job is public and I suppose tax payers may want to know what they pay me ... so the agency makes that info public.
05-07-16, 05:05 AM
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Soooo, it looks like I may be staying with my current gig.
I spoke with my current employer, who immediately offered to match the salary of the new position, but I told him that I would need more and wasn't interested in negotiating. He asked what it would take, and I told him that it would take a significant raise, a few grand cash in my pocket right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher salary in 3 years. He told me that he had to think about it for a few hours, and then summoned me to his office 15 minutes later with a very enthusiastic "yes", and with the usual spiel: he sees me being a central and core part of the team, and not to disclose this to other associates for fairness, and the like.
Wow.
Well, I do like my job and quality of life, it was mainly the money that I was chasing down with new employment. There are some bad sides to not accepting the new position and as such I haven't entirely made up my mind, but I'm fairly certain that I'm going to stay.
Woohoo!
I spoke with my current employer, who immediately offered to match the salary of the new position, but I told him that I would need more and wasn't interested in negotiating. He asked what it would take, and I told him that it would take a significant raise, a few grand cash in my pocket right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher salary in 3 years. He told me that he had to think about it for a few hours, and then summoned me to his office 15 minutes later with a very enthusiastic "yes", and with the usual spiel: he sees me being a central and core part of the team, and not to disclose this to other associates for fairness, and the like.
Wow.
Well, I do like my job and quality of life, it was mainly the money that I was chasing down with new employment. There are some bad sides to not accepting the new position and as such I haven't entirely made up my mind, but I'm fairly certain that I'm going to stay.
Woohoo!
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Yeah, because NOT discussing it only hurts employees and only helps the employer keep labor costs down. ...don't fall for it.
05-07-16, 07:33 AM
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Soooo, it looks like I may be staying with my current gig.
I spoke with my current employer, who immediately offered to match the salary of the new position, but I told him that I would need more and wasn't interested in negotiating. He asked what it would take, and I told him that it would take a significant raise, a few grand cash in my pocket right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher salary in 3 years. He told me that he had to think about it for a few hours, and then summoned me to his office 15 minutes later with a very enthusiastic "yes", and with the usual spiel: he sees me being a central and core part of the team, and not to disclose this to other associates for fairness, and the like.
Wow.
Well, I do like my job and quality of life, it was mainly the money that I was chasing down with new employment. There are some bad sides to not accepting the new position and as such I haven't entirely made up my mind, but I'm fairly certain that I'm going to stay.
Woohoo!
I spoke with my current employer, who immediately offered to match the salary of the new position, but I told him that I would need more and wasn't interested in negotiating. He asked what it would take, and I told him that it would take a significant raise, a few grand cash in my pocket right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher salary in 3 years. He told me that he had to think about it for a few hours, and then summoned me to his office 15 minutes later with a very enthusiastic "yes", and with the usual spiel: he sees me being a central and core part of the team, and not to disclose this to other associates for fairness, and the like.
Wow.
Well, I do like my job and quality of life, it was mainly the money that I was chasing down with new employment. There are some bad sides to not accepting the new position and as such I haven't entirely made up my mind, but I'm fairly certain that I'm going to stay.
Woohoo!
05-07-16, 07:57 AM
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Ive always felt that one should never take the counter offer, yet we have two people here in the last week that have. If the reason for leaving was solely over money, then I could see taking a counter, but there are usually some lesser reasons. They don't typically go away. Congrats to both of you for the increase. What's first on the "me" list?
05-07-16, 09:33 AM
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I don't know about that. His comment would be a red flag for me, a signal that there was some compensation inequality on the team. That should not be if he was doing his job right as a manager.
Ive always felt that one should never take the counter offer, yet we have two people here in the last week that have. If the reason for leaving was solely over money, then I could see taking a counter, but there are usually some lesser reasons. They don't typically go away. Congrats to both of you for the increase. What's first on the "me" list?
Ive always felt that one should never take the counter offer, yet we have two people here in the last week that have. If the reason for leaving was solely over money, then I could see taking a counter, but there are usually some lesser reasons. They don't typically go away. Congrats to both of you for the increase. What's first on the "me" list?
05-07-16, 09:34 AM
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Thanks all.
@himespau it does include a title change that is commensurate with my experience, sort-of. The title change was offered to me two weeks ago, along with a mini bump in pay, which was a nice surprise, but rather ironic as I had the offer in my pocket from the new company but hadn't disclosed that yet.
I helped start a new line of business three years ago, an Analytical Services business where we offer certain measurement services to outside customers who wish to submit samples for analysis. I run all aspects of the sales cycles, order cycles, customer interaction and of course technical lead as I am an expert in a couple different analytical techniques. I've watched the business grow from a meager ~30k in sales the first year to something that is on a trajectory to necessitate lower level resources for me to run samples within a few years. I am already at 70% of my sales goal for 2016, and have accounts in many industries who trust and rely on our services.
The new position would have had me working in a QC/QA lab performing internal analysis with ICP-MS and ICP-OES (the former being an area of my expertise) with a decrease in job responsibility, but increase in pay. Big company salary.
My new dual title:
Analytical Services Manager - Research Associate III
@shovelhd your comments provide some interesting perspective for me as I'm still in the early stages of my career at 29 and just passing that "3-5 years of experience" mark that seems to accompany distinct levels of job responsibility and pay in my searching experience.
There is some compensation inequality in that most everyone feels underpaid. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm a high performer that has been working more than my peers with more drive for years, so I feel that me jumping ahead in pay wouldn't be a huge surprise to everyone. There has been chit-chat about me leaving due to the disproportionate amount of time I have spent training people over the last week, so it will be obvious to everyone if that stops and I end up staying here, I just won't disclose the fine print to anyone.
I understand my boss's concern with resentment among other members of the staff at my education/experience level, and also how requiring me to be hush about it is somewhat devious and dishonest. I see both sides of the picture. Still, I don't have a problem doing this if it keeps me in good terms with the company as I like my job a lot and would like to have a future there.
From a bigger picture:
I've told both the CEO and my direct manager a couple times over the last 6-12 months that I'm starting to think about bigger life stuff like marriage and family. I've sat down and jotted down some salary goals that I have to hit within 3-5 years to make that happen, and as such I cannot be OK with incremental salary adjustments between now and then as I am much lower than I need to be. Now work becomes: What's the fastest way to get there? This is why my staying here is contingent upon getting a big boost right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher number in 3 years if I continue to be a high performer. Also, I want some cash right now so I can buy bike stuff.
Anyways, sorry for the rant - these are exciting times! Now I'm headed to work so I can catch up on the senioritis that I exhibited last week, and then head to Barrio Logan, my favorite race!!!!
Thanks all.
@himespau it does include a title change that is commensurate with my experience, sort-of. The title change was offered to me two weeks ago, along with a mini bump in pay, which was a nice surprise, but rather ironic as I had the offer in my pocket from the new company but hadn't disclosed that yet.
I helped start a new line of business three years ago, an Analytical Services business where we offer certain measurement services to outside customers who wish to submit samples for analysis. I run all aspects of the sales cycles, order cycles, customer interaction and of course technical lead as I am an expert in a couple different analytical techniques. I've watched the business grow from a meager ~30k in sales the first year to something that is on a trajectory to necessitate lower level resources for me to run samples within a few years. I am already at 70% of my sales goal for 2016, and have accounts in many industries who trust and rely on our services.
The new position would have had me working in a QC/QA lab performing internal analysis with ICP-MS and ICP-OES (the former being an area of my expertise) with a decrease in job responsibility, but increase in pay. Big company salary.
My new dual title:
Analytical Services Manager - Research Associate III
@shovelhd your comments provide some interesting perspective for me as I'm still in the early stages of my career at 29 and just passing that "3-5 years of experience" mark that seems to accompany distinct levels of job responsibility and pay in my searching experience.
There is some compensation inequality in that most everyone feels underpaid. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm a high performer that has been working more than my peers with more drive for years, so I feel that me jumping ahead in pay wouldn't be a huge surprise to everyone. There has been chit-chat about me leaving due to the disproportionate amount of time I have spent training people over the last week, so it will be obvious to everyone if that stops and I end up staying here, I just won't disclose the fine print to anyone.
I understand my boss's concern with resentment among other members of the staff at my education/experience level, and also how requiring me to be hush about it is somewhat devious and dishonest. I see both sides of the picture. Still, I don't have a problem doing this if it keeps me in good terms with the company as I like my job a lot and would like to have a future there.
From a bigger picture:
I've told both the CEO and my direct manager a couple times over the last 6-12 months that I'm starting to think about bigger life stuff like marriage and family. I've sat down and jotted down some salary goals that I have to hit within 3-5 years to make that happen, and as such I cannot be OK with incremental salary adjustments between now and then as I am much lower than I need to be. Now work becomes: What's the fastest way to get there? This is why my staying here is contingent upon getting a big boost right now, and a plan to get me to a much higher number in 3 years if I continue to be a high performer. Also, I want some cash right now so I can buy bike stuff
.Anyways, sorry for the rant - these are exciting times! Now I'm headed to work so I can catch up on the senioritis that I exhibited last week, and then head to Barrio Logan, my favorite race!!!!
Thanks all.
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05-07-16, 07:03 PM
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05-07-16, 07:08 PM
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Although I love cycling, I can't imagine trying out cyclocross, track, tt, or mtbing based solely on the unattractive notion of having a dedicated bike for each one of these desciplines. Except for mtb, cuz i actually have an entry level one. On the other hand, it would be nice to try them out. So maybe I'll sign up for an mtb race or something
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super cool. busy atm, but will check out shortly.
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also I got 12th. Meh.
things looked great but I lost my man's wheel w two corners to go due to some sketchy riding from someone else. next time!
things looked great but I lost my man's wheel w two corners to go due to some sketchy riding from someone else. next time!
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05-07-16, 08:20 PM
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Did a massive test drive with my dad, to go pick up Junior (so I could be there when we met up with Grandma and Grandpa). My dad held up okay, 3.5 hours each way. Wasn't ideal but it worked.
Also he ate in public for the first time in I don't know how long, 1 or 2 years. It got a bit messy but we managed. He didn't fall backward off the bench (LL Bean in Freeport, ME, there are mainly benches/tables in their cafe). I helped him with his drinks and we got food that I had to feed him, that helped keep things neater (he can't use utensils and he has a hard time drinking from a cup). No one said anything except someone commented to Junior how nice it must be to have the whole family out for lunch. I think that someone knew as she was a bit older and probably understood more than any of us all the challenges we are facing.
The Missus took Junior up to Grandma's two Fridays ago (full drive is over 7 hours each way; on the way back they drove halfway down). Missus stayed until Sun morning so Junior was with them Sun Am until Sat. I think it was 2 days too long for him, at 4 years old.
When he saw us he came running over to me. It felt really good to hold him again. I felt bad that he didn't run to the Missus, but I guess I'm the one that raised him so I'm the one he goes to first.
He's memorized two books, got a lot of a third one down, and has all these stories for us. He couldn't stop talking for 3+ hours when we got home.
Also he ate in public for the first time in I don't know how long, 1 or 2 years. It got a bit messy but we managed. He didn't fall backward off the bench (LL Bean in Freeport, ME, there are mainly benches/tables in their cafe). I helped him with his drinks and we got food that I had to feed him, that helped keep things neater (he can't use utensils and he has a hard time drinking from a cup). No one said anything except someone commented to Junior how nice it must be to have the whole family out for lunch. I think that someone knew as she was a bit older and probably understood more than any of us all the challenges we are facing.
The Missus took Junior up to Grandma's two Fridays ago (full drive is over 7 hours each way; on the way back they drove halfway down). Missus stayed until Sun morning so Junior was with them Sun Am until Sat. I think it was 2 days too long for him, at 4 years old.
When he saw us he came running over to me. It felt really good to hold him again. I felt bad that he didn't run to the Missus, but I guess I'm the one that raised him so I'm the one he goes to first.
He's memorized two books, got a lot of a third one down, and has all these stories for us. He couldn't stop talking for 3+ hours when we got home.
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My salary is public information. You can look it up on the Bee's database if you want.
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Although I love cycling, I can't imagine trying out cyclocross, track, tt, or mtbing based solely on the unattractive notion of having a dedicated bike for each one of these desciplines. Except for mtb, cuz i actually have an entry level one. On the other hand, it would be nice to try them out. So maybe I'll sign up for an mtb race or something
05-07-16, 09:04 PM
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If you have friends, it's usually possible to borrow a bike from someone to try something out and see if you like it. Some things, you can even sample on the "wrong" bike - using a MTB for cyclocross is a perfect example. If you get into something but still can't add another bike because of space or money or philosophy, well... life's about choices.
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I think I don't want to know other people's salary. The marketplace can make some overpaid and others underpaid.
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I normally wouldn't lend my bike out to anyone, unless it's a beater that i don't care about. With that, I'd be less inclined to borrow someone else's bike, because I don't want to be a hypocrite. is it bad to use a mtb for cyclocross? what if you put thinner tires on?
05-07-16, 09:18 PM
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Some (most?) velodromes will lend bikes for their training classes and for non race times.