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Colorado School of Mines "C" Race Report - 2.4.05 (Criterium)

Old 04-02-05, 04:34 PM
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Colorado School of Mines "C" Race Report - 2.4.05 (Criterium)

Had a good race today at the Oredigger Classic (Day 1). Today was a criterium. As usual I raced Men's C, which is a collegiate catagory. The race started a little late. It was supposed to be at 730, but registration wasn't ready until 7am, which meant there was a huge line despite pre-registering online. I guess the point of paying online was so they could have my money sooner- there was no advantage for me. It was a bit hard to find the place and when we finally did find it, they were putting up some tiny yellow signs - again by the time these signs were up the C's were already there. I guess that is why we are C's, but I think it could have been better organized / run. I'm sure things went more smoothly later, but still. We also had to take about 4-5 warmup laps and we started 30 minutes late because the EMT probably couldn't find the place....

HOWEVER. What the Oredigger (IMHO) lacked in organization it made up for with a really cool course. The crit course was 1.6mi. From the start/finish line you went down hill, made a sweeping right and then onto a wide straight away. Speeds on this section were regularly 34-35mph, although I tend to look at the computer more when i feel like the pace is increasing/decreasing. The straight away came down into corner #2, a semi-tight turn of about 70 degrees. Then another straight filtering down to a tight 90 degree turn. From here people were usually out of the saddle sprinting out of the corner. One everyone calmed down we were almost to the next corner series. A very gradual sweep to the left followed by a hard right. After the first couple laps we went through the left turn single file and then for the right turn the line broke apart as some people went wide and others cut inside. I found that it was possible to move wide, then cut to the apex and continue straight - it seemed to be the fastest line. Then the pace usually slowed for a small straight before making a hard right onto a steep hill that was probably about 500m long and went right up past the finish line.

After a crap-load of warm up laps and waiting around we finally started. A couple CU and a UNC guy went hard off the front right off the bat. We bridged it immediately, but the pace was super high. I could hear people (including myself) saying things like "Oh ****.... Chill out guys!". Pretty funny. Within half a lap a CSU guy had gotten on the front and he did everyone a favor: he braked hard for a corner and then didn't accelerate as hard out of it. It slowed the pace down by 3-4 mph. This was all in the first lap. We got to the hill the first time, it wasn't so bad. The laps went on. My goal for this week was to finish top-5, but with the hill I kinda doubted myself because I'm not that great of a climber. My other goal was to race only for myself, and not sacrifice my legs to help a teammate place better than me. Turns out the hill was mroe suited early on for the sprinter-types. While I would consider myself a sprinter rather than a climber, I knew that with the exception of the primes these guys were being stupid and blowing themselves up every lap on this hill. With 5 laps to go we were down to about 14-15 in the lead group. There really was no chase group, everyone else was blown off the back. By 3 laps left we were down to 12, and there were FIVE CSU GUYS! We had the numbers. With 1 lap left we tried to organize and make a break, and I know it would have stuck - but one of our guys went flying off the front right at the line at the start of the last lap. That was too early, and he eventually got caught after dropping at least 1 of our riders in the process. The pace increased and increased some more on the last lap. then on the last straight before the hill, everyone slowed to a CRAWL. This was going to come down to the hill. One of our strongest riders looked like he was doing well. A CU guy went right before the start of the hill, and he followed. I didn't see them until the pack rounded the corner. The CU guy was pulling away, in fact we were gaining on him pretty fast. The CSU guy was DONE. Looked like he was gonna fall off the bike. I told him to "keep it up" as I passed him halfway up the hill. I gave it all I had, but I wasn't in very good position at the top of the hill. Some guy tried to get by me on the hill towards the end. I looked at him and he looked at me, we both stood up and mashed like crazy, but I guess he was hoping to sneak by me, because after 4 strokes he had the reverse lights on. I ended up getting 8th place. Same result as last week, but to me this was harder course. CSU rounded out the bottom of the top 10, and got a couple prime points. We'll see how the points work out, but I know for sure we got 8, 9, 10 and at least 2 times we got prime points. I was a bit upset I couldn't have gotten top 5 - it was my fault for not moving to the front of the pack when we slowed before the hill. I was happy though that i was the top finisher on my team. Good time....


I then went back to my car to change, I got all changed and shut the hatch on my GTI. I heard the horn beep indicating it had locked. I realized I forgot my phone in the car, so I put my hand in my jeans to unlock the doors.... and my key wasn't there. I had taken it out of my jersey pocket and set in in the hatch-area. You could see it through the window but there was no way to get in---- besides calling a locksmith and waiting 45 minutes. So We called Pop-a-Lock and they came and opened my car. bah...

Tomorrow is the 4 mi ITT Hill Climb to the top of Lookout Mountain.
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tomarrow will be crazy at least we (CSU) don't have to get up as early has today. The race flier also was a lie. It said that the course was falt with almost perfect pavement. The back strech was preaty interesting with lots of pot holes and what have you, and if any of you went you will know that there was hill that was a bit of a killer imo. besides that it was a very good race
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Originally Posted by alraicercsu
tomarrow will be crazy at least we (CSU) don't have to get up as early has today. The race flier also was a lie. It said that the course was falt with almost perfect pavement. The back strech was preaty interesting with lots of pot holes and what have you, and if any of you went you will know that there was hill that was a bit of a killer imo. besides that it was a very good race

.... I wish someone besides my roommate (who was there) would reply to these. Oh well, I find it kinda fun to write down these posts, even if nobody reads them or they are horribly written.
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Thanks for the race report. I, and I'm sure others, enjoy hearing about them. Good luck tomorrow in the ITT.
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awesome write-up! Sorry about getting locked out

I heard some of Team Discovery was there today!

You're gonna have great conditions going up Lookout Mt. It's a wonderful ride. Just remember, sightseeing on the way down can be dangerous!
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I didn't know some Disco guys showed up, that's really cool. I didn't stay, because until I got home I thought my TT start time was 730am as a C. That meant the C's would leave FoCo at 500am, but with the time change thats like 4am.... I like my sleep and I think its fairly important between races. Now its been moved to 11am though, because they are going by TEAM, not catagory.
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Originally Posted by LordOpie
I heard some of Team Discovery was there today!
As I was walking back after checking the CAT4/5 results I saw Mike Creed from Discovery riding up. Back in his Prime Alliance days he used to show up to the Acacia Park rides in downtown Colo Sprgs all the time. He and Danny Pate would consitently light it up He sucked me into chasing him up a climb at the Air Force Academy once... needless to say he beat my tail up... but it sure was fun.
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Hey, keep the race reports coming. I think you're descriptions of the races are great and I really enjoy reading them. Good luck with the rest of the season.
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Ok I bought in to your plea for someone to talk to. I have been reading the posts on this web site for a while now, and your posts are the first that got me to make a reply. At first I thought you were being egocentric for posting this kind of information. Now I know you are all into yourself when you said you wont ride for the benefit of the team. You should tell them that. Please someone with more experience than me put him in his place?
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I almost went to CSM. Too expensive, good work though.
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My other goal was to race only for myself, and not sacrifice my legs to help a teammate place better than me.
Were you being serious? I'm sure there have been plenty of guys on the US Postal squad that felt that way at times, but those guys rose above self-serving goals for the good of the team... that's kind of what a "team sport" is.

Now on the other hand I can somewhat see where you're coming from. It is nice to place high and even win, but still... Sometimes you just gotta "take one for the team" and get the strongest guy (that day) out front and get him to the line.

Perhaps, for the next race, you should sit down with your team and come up with a race strategy that will best serve the team... that strategy may include having the other guys blowing themselves up to get you up to the line -or- it may be your turn to do the same for someone else. You guys are a team... team stratgey and hard work for one another will really pay off in the long run.

I'll tell you... there is a certain sense of accomplishment and pride that comes from busting your a$$ to get a teammate a win. And in the end, they won't ever forget it.
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Originally Posted by cuskinsuit
Ok I bought in to your plea for someone to talk to. I have been reading the posts on this web site for a while now, and your posts are the first that got me to make a reply. At first I thought you were being egocentric for posting this kind of information. Now I know you are all into yourself when you said you wont ride for the benefit of the team. You should tell them that. Please someone with more experience than me put him in his place?
Were you being serious? I'm sure there have been plenty of guys on the US Postal squad that felt that way at times, but those guys rose above self-serving goals for the good of the team... that's kind of what a "team sport" is.

Now on the other hand I can somewhat see where you're coming from. It is nice to place high and even win, but still... Sometimes you just gotta "take one for the team" and get the strongest guy (that day) out front and get him to the line.

Perhaps, for the next race, you should sit down with your team and come up with a race strategy that will best serve the team... that strategy may include having the other guys blowing themselves up to get you up to the line -or- it may be your turn to do the same for someone else. You guys are a team... team stratgey and hard work for one another will really pay off in the long run.

I'll tell you... there is a certain sense of accomplishment and pride that comes from busting your a$$ to get a teammate a win. And in the end, they won't ever forget it.

(to the first poster) This is the internet, you don't know me. Lots of people post race reports without being called egocentric. If you look back at my other race reports for collegiate races you'll see that both times I made an effort to try to help the guy who I felt was strongest. The first time he took the help and then completely blew up and finished 3 places behind me. The next time I went nuts with 1 lap to go and pulled him up to the front. Narrowed the pack down to 6 people, 5 after I dropped off of the back and went with some stragglers from the pack (and by pack I mean a breakaway group). So he was in a pack of 5 coming to the last 1/2 lap and was tucked in behind me doing no work to get there - the other guys had to jump to get on. I saw them rounding the corner and then lost sight of them. In the group of 5 that I got him in he got 5th. 5th is a good placing, but either he or I could have gotten 5 if we stayed with the breakaway group.

(to the second poster) I totally agree that we need to devise a team plan, decide who the strongest is, etc. The problem is that when I've tried this before the guy who i helped before said he was the strongest, etc, etc. That may be, he is definitely a strong rider, but he goes to the front a lot on his own and ends up blowing himself up. If you want your team to race for you, there is no reason to lead the peloton on anything but a prime lap, IMO. get back in the pack with us for christs sake. But yes we need a plan, we actually decided to go off of the front in the last lap (since we had a huge number of people in the lead group). The guy who was previously mentioned went without warning at the LINE. its a 1.6 mile course, and while he's strong he isn't strong enough to go the whole course by himself. THAT obliterated our plan. We need to sit down before the race though and make a plan, and get people to actually stick to it.

In short, over the past few races I realized that this guy isn't as strong as i once thought. A couple other teammates agree. I know there is one guy, probably 2 that would have helped and worked for ME in this race, with a leadout, etc. Problem is that there was a huge hill coming to the finish, so it became every man for himself, a leadout meant nothing. Oh yeah, the guy that I would have been working for ended up getting passed me, and two other guys behind me (we got 8, 9, 10). He was that wasted after his solo break.

I guess maybe I worded the sentence wrong. Its not that I was working ONLY for myself, and if an issue came up that another rider was obviously in a good position to do well with my help, I would have done so. I should have said I wasn't going to work for the guy I tried to help in the last two races, and several guys were going to help me - just not the guy I helped before... now who's egocentric. You'll probably say still me, and thats fine. I'm only able to do 4 criteriums this college season. I didn't want to hold myself or the overall team back by working for a guy who is not as strong as me. he's also not doing the hill-climb either, so whatever.
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Wait, uhh, you guys don't have a coach?
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I don't exactly know what is going on with that. This fall we had a coach. His training company sponsored us. He started a USCF team under the same sponsorship. Now they don't sponsor us anymore and he is no longer the coach. OUr coach is now our top A rider. He's a great rider for sure. He gives lots of tactics to the A's and B's, but for us he usually just tells us to stay in the pack, wait til a certain time, etc. He has never designated a leader or anything. He is not in town this weekend.

I guess part of the problem is I am in no position of authority to make a plan and get people to go along with it. If our coach designated the guy i rode for before as a leader (or anyone else, including me) I would be glad to work for them.... The problem is that in order to work for someone they have to KNOW you are working for them (sometimes telling them doesn't work apparently) and they have to LET YOU work for them, and be able to sit in among their teammates during the race, not sit on the front. Let the people working for you block the wind. I'm actually gonna e-mail the coach when he gets back and ask what he thinks we should do for a strategy, etc. Who should we work for and how kind of stuff.
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So no coach?

I'll see if Walter Matthau is available
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yeah the lack of coaching is hurting our team badly, and there is no team strategy has a whole for the C's. We have JB who I think is the strongest, a guy we call fatty who if he trained more I think would win, and the guy JB keeps helping who is sadly a hipocrit but is damn strong. I know I am not the strongest but I have like Oredigger helped with what ever could be done(I am the one that went to the front to slow the pace.) I am not at the hill climb because in theory I should be studying for a test tomarrow.
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You could see it through the window but there was no way to get in---- besides calling a locksmith and waiting 45 minutes.
So close yet so far.
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.... Yeah, that sucked.


I got 5th in the Hill Climb. There were only 9 people. It was my first hill climb and also my first time trial. I'm no climber - however, I think my power to weight isn't horrible for someone my size. It seemed like I went out too easy to start with. I feel like I could have gone harder and used the flatter areas to recover. However, the first part was pretty steep and I wasn't sure if the WHOLE THING was going to be that steep. I should have driven or ridden the course ahead of time - my bad. I tried going harder later, but by that time it was back to being steep again towards the end. A big ass line on the road or something so we knew where the finish was would have been great. You come down this road and you see two marshalls with radios and vests sitting in chairs. at first I thought that was the finish, then I see you have to turn to the right a few more feet and go by this tent (which made sense) but there was still no line... I ended up rolling through the finish. if I would have made all those changes and sprinted all the way through the finish, I would have been able to get third. There is no way I could get first though, those guys were obviously the climber as there was a solid gap between 2 and 3rd that I don't think anything except a motor would have gotten me up to that time.

I feel I did pretty well. My time was crappy, but i expected it. I probably still ended up getting some points for my team. This wasn't my highest priority race, but I think I did ok. I felt better about my performance on the crit though. I guess I'm more of a crit guy than a hill climber.
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Great job! What was your time up the mountain? I'm still waiting for them to post results online for the CAT4/5 guys... i didn't stick around for them to post the results. I, too, could have ridden a tad faster, but didn't know the course or what lied up ahead - oh well. I believe the Lookout Mountain Hillclimb (put on by SEAR) is at the end of April... that should interesting to actually race up with a group.

Anyways... you'll find at the hillclimbs that there are guys that show up that can climb like friggin' mountain goats. A good example was Mt Evans last year... a guy from Utah came out and crushed the CAT4 category - riding the course in under 2 hours and beating the second place guy by 10 minutes... pretty crazy!
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Any idea where one can find the results? I'm a B-Rider from Colorado College and had to get out of Golden before I could wait to see how I did in the climb. I think my time was in the 22-23 minute range, quite disappointing really, but i'd still like an idea of where I placed.
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Just found the results:

http://www.mines.edu/stu_life/organ/...%20Results.pdf
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Hey bud,
Sounds like all in all that you had a good race. I was there on Saturday, racing the SM 4/5's. Good race. Nasty crash before the 1st tight left on the back end with about 10 minutes to go. From what I understand, the guy broke his collarbone. I got shelled on the next lap when the course was rerouted to the other side due to the ambulance. Didn't finish with the pack, but I did finish.

As far as the finish on the hill climb... I'm guessing that you may have not ridden Lookout Mountain before?. Measuring times has always been from Pillar to Post. All in all, 5th out of 9th=Great Job! Be proud of it. SM4/5 had 26 racers I think. But now that you have ridden it, do it again at then end of April. There is an ACA Pillar to Post Race on the last weekend. I bet you'll get a better time, and hey, at least the finish will be more evident.

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Old 04-04-05, 09:51 AM
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COLORADO wrote "....Any idea where one can find the results? I'm a B-Rider from Colorado College and had to get out of Golden before I could wait to see how I did in the climb. I think my time was in the 22-23 minute range, quite disappointing really, but i'd still like an idea of where I placed."

If you did 22-23 minute range, that's pretty good for Lookout! Especially as a B rider.
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Originally Posted by tprtodanelli
Hey bud,
Sounds like all in all that you had a good race. I was there on Saturday, racing the SM 4/5's. Good race. Nasty crash before the 1st tight left on the back end with about 10 minutes to go. From what I understand, the guy broke his collarbone.
That whole section of the course was nasty... you went from a very wide road to a narrow section with those darn manhole covers everywhere... and to make it a bit more exciting, a nice sharp turn to boot.
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