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Old 07-30-18, 11:57 AM
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I liked the tour this year although I thought there was too much climbing and not enough ITT. Although the three best time trialists were on the podium.

Excluding the sprint stages, it seemed to lack any explosiveness on the climbs. Maybe this is an indication of less or zero doping. The teams seemed to play more defense especially Sky. Movi Star tried to make some things happen but it seemed weak.
Movistar didn't really try anything until they were so far down on the GC as to be almost non competitive. Valverde made one attempt early in the tour, but that was about it.

Maybe if Landa, Quintana or Valverde worked together in the earlier stages, they could have put the hammer down on Sky and forced a better competition later. But those three guys were mostly operating solo, with Movistar's plan to being to support whomever was doing best. Problem with that is not one of them did well enough early to really stand out as a threat.
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Old 07-30-18, 12:43 PM
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Movistar didn't really try anything until they were so far down on the GC as to be almost non competitive. Valverde made one attempt early in the tour, but that was about it.

Maybe if Landa, Quintana or Valverde worked together in the earlier stages, they could have put the hammer down on Sky and forced a better competition later. But those three guys were mostly operating solo, with Movistar's plan to being to support whomever was doing best. Problem with that is not one of them did well enough early to really stand out as a threat.
I agree. I like Valverde a lot and he would get in a break and we were all waiting for Quintana to press the action in the Alpes and he did not.
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Old 07-30-18, 02:21 PM
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With the caveat that I'm a Froome fan, I don't see it as greedy. I see it as pushing yourself to the limit and seeing what your made of. Everyone was complaining after Lance set up the one race a year matters cadence and Froome has blown that wide open by taking chances with his "legacy."
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I liked the tour this year although I thought there was too much climbing and not enough ITT. Although the three best time trialists were on the podium.

Excluding the sprint stages, it seemed to lack any explosiveness on the climbs. Maybe this is an indication of less or zero doping. The teams seemed to play more defense especially Sky. Movi Star tried to make some things happen but it seemed weak.

IMO, Dumoulin and Roglic need to up their equipment game on the time trials. Dumoulin was lucky that Froome was playing with his radio and seemed to have some other issues as he squirmed in his saddle and reached around his back with one arm. Each minor position change cost him a few thousands of a second. Dumoulin should have trounced Froome.

What was with Roglic's TT helmet? No glasses or visor? I find it hard to believe that is the fastest setup. I think both guys need better equipment sponsors and testing and then take the results and do a lot of strength and adaptation.

Also, Roglic was very lucky in stage 19 with the motor staying too close and providing Roglic with less wind resistance. I ride behind the motor a lot at the track and even with the motor several bike lengths ahead, it make it easier to faster with less power. Froome and Dumoulin were both trying to catch Roglic by pedaling hard and could not on the downhill. Froome was pedaling by sitting on the top tube. I think Roglic reduced his time due to the motor.

Alaphillipe is the real deal in the mountains both climbing and descending. He has fabulous, power skills and talent. Plus he is a bit of a showman which should make it more interesting for fans and liked by sponsors.
I don't know about TT equipment, but @Hermes, Dumoulin and Roglic are gold and silver in the discipline, so they must have something figured out.

I was disappointed Roglic couldn't hold the podium in the final TT, his win the day prior was to me the most exciting moment of the TdF. He attacked over the aubisque and moto or no moto, he straight up owned everyone else on the descent.

Alaphillipe is an exciting rider, but I don't see him as a GT contender, he is great for climbing with the break but hasn't shown the ability to climb with the group of contenders, and was 3:42 off the pace in saturdays TT (one cherrypicked sample and not knowing if he went full tilt or not but still, that's a lot of time)
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Old 07-31-18, 10:31 PM
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so you're the one
There are dozens of us! Dozens.
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I think this is a transitional year for the Tour. Froome, Thomas, Nibali, Cav, and Greipel are all going to start their decline while Bernal, Alaphilippe, Groenewegen, and Gavira are all on the rise. Not going to say that's going to happen next year but the status quo has changed.



Being 1 generation removed from Wales, I'm pretty excited. The Welsh haven't had this big a win since we won the Cat 4 San Bruno Hill Climb a few years back.
When I lived with my brother we had that flag on the wall in the living room. Big day for our ancestors from hfrynghyilkjyndfgeyesugyft.
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Old 08-01-18, 11:59 AM
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There are dozens of us! Dozens.
haha, that made me laugh

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When I lived with my brother we had that flag on the wall in the living room. Big day for our ancestors from hfrynghyilkjyndfgeyesugyft.
is that near Cardiff?
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Old 08-01-18, 04:32 PM
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There are dozens of us! Dozens.
Remember to only share the pointy elbow secret handshake with the true believers!
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Old 08-11-18, 01:36 PM
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Jan Ullrich. Sad.
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Old 08-28-18, 11:36 AM
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todays Vuelta stage

#MABRA !
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Old 08-28-18, 02:52 PM
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indeed! well desrved
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Old 08-29-18, 12:23 AM
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Liking the Vurlta so far.

Cool to see Viviani back in action!
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Old 03-22-19, 10:12 PM
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Tried jumping through a bunch of hoops to watch Eurosport - got VPN, but then realized they want a billing address in the UK.. so much for that. Take my $$$!! For some reason it's challenging to pay for HD full races in the U.S.

Purchased "FloBikes" streaming package instead to watch spring classics, it has a bunch of races that NBC Sports streaming doesn't have.

Stage 4 of Tirreno Adriatico was off the hook - dude attacked with like 40k to go, crashed twice, got caught in the last 1k, still ****ing won.


(go to about 45 secs in)

Best finish in a bike race I've seen maybe ever.
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Old 04-21-19, 10:01 AM
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I might be jumping the gun here, but this Van der Poel kid might be pretty good at bikes.
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What I like most is he does it all: CX, MTB, road... He's a once in a generation talent IMO.

He pretty much single-handedly pulled the group of favorite to the front from 2 km out then took the sprint from the front. Wow.
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I might be jumping the gun here, but this Van der Poel kid might be pretty good at bikes.
Ya think?
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lol that Amstel finish was an instant classic. So rad!
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WTF was that race. From god knows how far back at 4k to go, pulling in a headwind uphill, leading out the sprint and winning. I was already a fan. Now even more so.

I had the result spoiled and I still didn't think it was going to happen.
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Old 04-21-19, 06:32 PM
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as good as mvdp is ... you have to admit JF and JA kinda blew it freewheeling as much as they did at the end.
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Pretty sure Fuglsang played the game right. He is the weaker finisher. IMO the headwind uphill is the section that lost them the race.
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I had the result spoiled and I still didn't think it was going to happen.
Yeah I knew who won but nothing else about the race, was starting to wonder if the headline I saw was some sort of mistake by the last couple KM.

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Pretty sure Fuglsang played the game right. He is the weaker finisher. IMO the headwind uphill is the section that lost them the race.
While I agree continuing to work/cooperate with Alaphillipe and then sprinting 2-up would have been a poor strategy for him, sitting up with 2km to go was a bad choice. Even discounting MVdP's heroics, the games those two were playing at the front allowed Kwiatkowski to catch them, which certainly didn't improve Fuglsang's odds. He should have kept attacking, I think one or two more of those and Alaphillipe would have broken (he obviously didn't have anything left in the tank based on how the finish played out).

Would Fuglsang have been able to hold off the chasing group on his own? Maybe, maybe not. I think yes, considering they had what, 40 secs at that point? All out 2K solo effort by Fuglsang instead of cat and mouse games, I think MVdP would have been a little too late.
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Fuglsang says they did it wrong on bad information.

“I’m not disappointed that I didn’t win, but I’m disappointed in the way I did,” he told Het Nieuwsblad. “At two kilometres from the finish, the director of the race told us that we had a 35-second lead. That means those other riders raced 15 seconds per kilometre faster than we did. I think that’s impossible.”
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WTF was that race. From god knows how far back at 4k to go, pulling in a headwind uphill, leading out the sprint and winning. I was already a fan. Now even more so.

I had the result spoiled and I still didn't think it was going to happen.
What are the chances that MVDP's clean?

Don't get me wrong, I like him too but... when someone does super-human **** you have to wonder a little.
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He's got really good genetics. But that doesn't exonerate him.
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dope or no dope he's a talent. if you watch any of his CX and XC MTB stuff you'll see he also has next-level bike handling skills, can't dope for those
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Fuglsang says they did it wrong on bad information.
He got it right at LBL!

And his almost-crash was epic... I thought he was going down for sure.
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