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Racer Ex 10-24-14 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 17244708)
Also that mirror looks more like a spear; I'd hate to fall on it in a crash..

That explains the belt drive on your bike.


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 17246035)
The way to race a crit race is to be as energy efficient as possible with good pace line etiquette.

Bull****


Doge 10-24-14 10:32 AM

So, other than in the last min of the race...what things have you done/do you do to disrupt smoothness and efficiency?

gsteinb 10-24-14 10:36 AM

Do you even race? It doesn't seem so based on your usac page and what you seem to express as tactical and practical understanding of how a race unfolds.

Racer Ex 10-24-14 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 17246088)
So, other than in the last min of the race...what things have you done/do you do to disrupt smoothness and efficiency?

My paceline sucked. I kept yelling at myself to quit surging every time I took a turn at the front, then I'd complain that I wasn't pulling hard enough. Finally I said eff it and just towed me around. When I caught the field I pulled them around for the last 5 laps vs. sitting in for the field sprint.

I could have won the field sprint.

Creakyknees 10-24-14 10:39 AM

Just stopping by to note that the correct usage in this context is "SMOOOOOVE"


Creakyknees 10-24-14 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Racer Ex (Post 17246111)
I could have won the field sprint.


... man if I had a podium for every time I said that ....

Racer Ex 10-24-14 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Creakyknees (Post 17246119)
... man if I had a podium for every time I said that ....

You could. $185.00 new or check out Craigslist. Ebay you'll get killed on shipping.

https://www.schooloutfitters.com/res...y1-250-250.jpg

Doge 10-24-14 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by gsteinb (Post 17246106)
Do you even race? It doesn't seem so based on your usac page and what you seem to express as tactical and practical understanding of how a race unfolds.

I am quite involved with racing, I just don't get on the bike and do it...

globecanvas 10-24-14 11:01 AM

I can't help feeling like this is all an elaborate setup for some punchline that I'm too obtuse to get.


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 17246035)
The way to race a crit race is to be as energy efficient as possible with good pace line etiquette.

I mean, I read this as sarcasm. But people respond to it literally, and then doge just strokes his chin inscrutably. Will there be a social sciences research paper published at the end of all this?

Ygduf 10-24-14 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Racer Ex (Post 17246042)

Bull****

That dude doing the double fist-pump near the end, that's me!

Racer Ex 10-24-14 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 17246175)
I am quite involved with racing, I just don't get on the bike and do it...

Just take some time and relax your mind, then do it.


gsteinb 10-24-14 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17246220)
That dude doing the double fist-pump near the end, that's me!

what were you doing in Texas?

Ygduf 10-24-14 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by gsteinb (Post 17246289)
what were you doing in Texas?

looking for archetype models of people not winning but happy helping their teammates win and feeling good about it

Doge 10-24-14 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17246327)
looking for archetype models of people not winning but happy helping their teammates win and feeling good about it

That is the start of the season plan.

MDcatV 10-24-14 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17246327)
looking for archetype models of people not winning but happy helping their teammates win and feeling good about it

my interpretation of that video was Racer Ex winning after lapping the field thus field sprint was for 2nd.

Racer Ex 10-24-14 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by MDcatV (Post 17246447)
my interpretation of that video was Racer Ex winning after lapping the field thus field sprint was for 2nd.

I did win. OTF for 45 minutes. The field sprint was for 7th, there was a small chase group a few minutes back. Long course.


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17246327)
looking for archetype models of people not winning but happy helping their teammates win and feeling good about it

I do that too, just not in Tejas anymore. I'll be your Huckleberry.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...1529c0ee8a.jpg

beatlebee 10-24-14 01:13 PM

bwah ha ha...nice

shovelhd 10-24-14 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by grolby (Post 17245459)
As a rule, if you don't know when those attacks are coming, you aren't paying attention. Not sure how a mirror helps with basic racecraft.

I race against a 27 time national champion who has been wearing a helmet mirror for as long as I have known him, at least the early 80's. He wears it on the left. I attack him on the right.

Bar end mirrors, while technically legal because they plug the bar end, are on the edge of what an official might deem safe. You have to put your head down to view them.

TexMac 10-24-14 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 17243834)
I see Bahati 5 or so times a year - last 6 years. He is of course outstanding. This year he was son's opponent in 3 races. But with the exception of a few races, Bahati normally rides in the back - until the end, unless there is a break and you can see he at the front organizing. This year he chased down a gap himself. Most racers cannot do what he does, which is why creating a gap/being nowhere around Bahati near the end works better.

wasn't he banned at one point for doping?

TexMac 10-24-14 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17246327)
looking for archetype models of people not winning but happy helping their teammates win and feeling good about it

man! if i had known you were in Texas, would've chased you down for autograph

Doge 10-24-14 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by TexMac (Post 17246737)
wasn't he banned at one point for doping?

I know nothing of that. His name is in many places in SoCal and kid's trainer/coach knows him. I'm told he is willing to share the wealth with those that help him win. I just have watched him race with and without my kid, I sometimes video, say hello, he appears approachable, and friendly.

Doge 10-24-14 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by shovelhd (Post 17246650)
I race against a 27 time national champion who has been wearing a helmet mirror for as long as I have known him, at least the early 80's. He wears it on the left. I attack him on the right.

Bar end mirrors, while technically legal because they plug the bar end, are on the edge of what an official might deem safe. You have to put your head down to view them.

And I carry spare bar end plugs. This is a slightly concave mirror and he gets a view both sides. We may go to two. Not race tested yet, but in a group ride last Sat his KOM was being challenged and he used it to see who was coming on his left. He said it helped.
Just remember when you see it on the pro-tour where they copied it from...

Doge 10-24-14 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ygduf (Post 17246220)
That dude doing the double fist-pump near the end, that's me!

Single fist pumps get more media attention Masi Bikes

Doge 10-24-14 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by globecanvas (Post 17246210)
I mean, I read this as sarcasm. But people respond to it literally...

It was.

I post (essentially) crits are raced too smoothly and that leave the most likely winners the sprinters and I get disagreement
- except a moderator more interested in my credentials than discussing what I posted.

I posted (essentially) the main stream view of how to ride a crit - smoothly - and I get disagreement
- except a moderator more interested in my credentials than discussing what I posted.

Racer Ex 10-24-14 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Doge (Post 17247082)
Single fist pumps get more media attention Masi Bikes

You guys need to start a fist pump thread. I understand there's a whole subculture built around it. Seems most of the websites are in German...


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