2015 Race Results
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does anyone have data from the p123 at bethel (the pack, not the break). overall, I didn't feel like it was terribly hard (in relation to other 123 races I've done. there were moments here and there, but overall. this is from the perspective of someone sitting in, which is all i've ever really done in a 123 race). unsure if that is actual or if a sign of decent fitness.
It's worth noting: every single one of these numbers except average speed is lower than in the 3/4 race. But I was also much more active in the 3/4, burned all my matches chasing breaks and closing gaps in the first 2/3 of that race and had nothing to spare for the 1/2/3. So I was trying very hard to stay sheltered and conserve.
I agree that it didn't feel particularly hard. It was all I could do to stay in, but not because it was a hard race. Apart from an ok base, my fitness isn't great and I was smoked by 10 to go in the 3/4 race after not making much of an impression there.
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does anyone have data from the p123 at bethel (the pack, not the break). overall, I didn't feel like it was terribly hard (in relation to other 123 races I've done. there were moments here and there, but overall. this is from the perspective of someone sitting in, which is all i've ever really done in a 123 race). unsure if that is actual or if a sign of decent fitness.
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On a large Crit course like Bethel it's easy to get away with yellow line violations. One yellow and black kit guy kept attacking over the line on the downwind section after turn one. Yellow lines aren't common in crits, but are a strict rule around here in road races. It's very easy to spot repeat offenders from the comm car. I relay that to the Chief and they determine what to do. They may send the comm or the moto up for a warning first. Emphasis is being driven by USAC insurance mandates.
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First race ever was this past weekend. 4.6 mile uphill TT (5.5%) up lookout mountain. Ended up in 22:01 with 295W for 4.3 w/kg. Crappy day given I did 320W for 20' a few days prior, but I probably left some of my race out there, and had a cold on race day to boot.
Still not a bad debut though, but would have been fun to win first time out.
Race: https://www.strava.com/activities/268221708
Still not a bad debut though, but would have been fun to win first time out.
Race: https://www.strava.com/activities/268221708
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I've had a couple races so far this year but haven't been able to post any reports here. Below are some summaries if you care.
21 Feb: Walburg Classic, Cat 3
LOTS OF WIND! Got dropped from the lead/main group at about 30-ish miles at an exposed crosswind section where everyone was getting guttered then TT'ed solo for about 3/4 lap to try and latch back on. Got within 9 seconds but couldn't clsoe the gap. Joined up with a couple other droppees but rear derailleur threw my chain into my spokes at some point so I had to stop. They didn't. Got it sorted and jumped back in with another group of 5-ish which grew to about 8 or 9. 2 others and I escaped while dropping a loud-mouthed laggard. 2 of us did most of the pulling while the 3rd guy mostly just hung on, taking a pull every 7 or 8 times through our mini-echelon. We caught and went through 2 sizeable groups before joining up with a larger group which we stuck with until the finish. My legs were cramping bad on the final run up to the finish so I bowed out of any sprinting but ended up beating one guy from our group. My second Cat 3 Road Race attempt and I was happy to have finished.
14 Mar: Tour of Corsicana, Cat 3, Stage 1: TT
10:15 for 4.6 miles. Started pretty hard to get up to speed then tried to settle in for my target watts. Ended up averaging slightly higher than my target for the TT, with a small downward slope from start to finish. Strong cross wind made the front tri-spoke a handful to keep straight. 18th/52 after Stage 1.
14 Mar: Tour of Corsicana, Cat 3, Stage 2: Crit
Had a good starting position on the line but was quickly shuffled back as I was not very comfortable on the rough brick surface through the turns. My chain also dropped from big ring to small somehow and I did not notice until 15' in. Too late. Rode with a "chase" group for a while before falling off that pace too. Had a tough time getting comfortable with going through the course at speed. Got pulled 23' into the 50' race. Out of contention after Stage 2.
15 Mar: Tour of Corsicana, Cat 3, Stage 3: Road Race
Got a good starting position but must have had my chain on the small ring to start on accident. When I shifted to big ring, the chain got thrown outside my rings and I couldn't pedal it back on. Had to stop and manually fix the chain but by that point, the group was sprinting away 40 sec. up the road. I tried to catch them and gained some ground but couldn't close a final 15" gap. Ended up doing a single 22 mile loop instead of the 3 loops / 66 miles planned. Not a great ending to a not-so-great weekend of racing. Highlights were finishing upright with everything intact and seeing my buddy finish off a top-10 GC finish in the Cat 4's.
21 Feb: Walburg Classic, Cat 3
LOTS OF WIND! Got dropped from the lead/main group at about 30-ish miles at an exposed crosswind section where everyone was getting guttered then TT'ed solo for about 3/4 lap to try and latch back on. Got within 9 seconds but couldn't clsoe the gap. Joined up with a couple other droppees but rear derailleur threw my chain into my spokes at some point so I had to stop. They didn't. Got it sorted and jumped back in with another group of 5-ish which grew to about 8 or 9. 2 others and I escaped while dropping a loud-mouthed laggard. 2 of us did most of the pulling while the 3rd guy mostly just hung on, taking a pull every 7 or 8 times through our mini-echelon. We caught and went through 2 sizeable groups before joining up with a larger group which we stuck with until the finish. My legs were cramping bad on the final run up to the finish so I bowed out of any sprinting but ended up beating one guy from our group. My second Cat 3 Road Race attempt and I was happy to have finished.
14 Mar: Tour of Corsicana, Cat 3, Stage 1: TT
10:15 for 4.6 miles. Started pretty hard to get up to speed then tried to settle in for my target watts. Ended up averaging slightly higher than my target for the TT, with a small downward slope from start to finish. Strong cross wind made the front tri-spoke a handful to keep straight. 18th/52 after Stage 1.
14 Mar: Tour of Corsicana, Cat 3, Stage 2: Crit
Had a good starting position on the line but was quickly shuffled back as I was not very comfortable on the rough brick surface through the turns. My chain also dropped from big ring to small somehow and I did not notice until 15' in. Too late. Rode with a "chase" group for a while before falling off that pace too. Had a tough time getting comfortable with going through the course at speed. Got pulled 23' into the 50' race. Out of contention after Stage 2.
15 Mar: Tour of Corsicana, Cat 3, Stage 3: Road Race
Got a good starting position but must have had my chain on the small ring to start on accident. When I shifted to big ring, the chain got thrown outside my rings and I couldn't pedal it back on. Had to stop and manually fix the chain but by that point, the group was sprinting away 40 sec. up the road. I tried to catch them and gained some ground but couldn't close a final 15" gap. Ended up doing a single 22 mile loop instead of the 3 loops / 66 miles planned. Not a great ending to a not-so-great weekend of racing. Highlights were finishing upright with everything intact and seeing my buddy finish off a top-10 GC finish in the Cat 4's.
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Nice work, that's a really good result, and welcome to racing!
I'll probably be doing some of the same races as you (not same field, obviously), I'm in the Front Range too.
I'll probably be doing some of the same races as you (not same field, obviously), I'm in the Front Range too.
First race ever was this past weekend. 4.6 mile uphill TT (5.5%) up lookout mountain. Ended up in 22:01 with 295W for 4.3 w/kg. Crappy day given I did 320W for 20' a few days prior, but I probably left some of my race out there, and had a cold on race day to boot.
Still not a bad debut though, but would have been fun to win first time out.
Race: https://www.strava.com/activities/268221708
Still not a bad debut though, but would have been fun to win first time out.
Race: https://www.strava.com/activities/268221708
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Bethel Crit 45+, 2nd of 53
Last lap, super strong guy OTF solo, two chasers. On the back stretch the whole field was trying to get on @gsteinb's wheel, so I figured what the heck and took a flyer from a minute out. Passed the chasers and was surprised to make it to the line clear of the field. I got away with one and don't expect to get away with it again, at least not with these guys.
Bethel Crit 3/4, 7th of 59
TKP, CDR and I played a friendly game of who can finish the race on the fewest watts. I spent about half the race caboosing it up at the very back. The problem with the very back is that you have to close gaps when the guy in front of you throws in the towel. I had to close a big gap with about 4 to go which was too bad. There were two guys OTF but I had no idea, I couldn't even see the front of the race from where I was for most of it. Moved up with one to go, got a clear shot at the line from 100m on the inside and tried to sprint but I had absolutely nothing. A lot of guys got bottled up behind a crash on the other side of the road. I don't care for all the crashes in 3/4 races.
@theKillerPenguin, @carpediemracing: I got 214 NP, 181 AP. What did you get?
Last lap, super strong guy OTF solo, two chasers. On the back stretch the whole field was trying to get on @gsteinb's wheel, so I figured what the heck and took a flyer from a minute out. Passed the chasers and was surprised to make it to the line clear of the field. I got away with one and don't expect to get away with it again, at least not with these guys.
Bethel Crit 3/4, 7th of 59
TKP, CDR and I played a friendly game of who can finish the race on the fewest watts. I spent about half the race caboosing it up at the very back. The problem with the very back is that you have to close gaps when the guy in front of you throws in the towel. I had to close a big gap with about 4 to go which was too bad. There were two guys OTF but I had no idea, I couldn't even see the front of the race from where I was for most of it. Moved up with one to go, got a clear shot at the line from 100m on the inside and tried to sprint but I had absolutely nothing. A lot of guys got bottled up behind a crash on the other side of the road. I don't care for all the crashes in 3/4 races.
@theKillerPenguin, @carpediemracing: I got 214 NP, 181 AP. What did you get?
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maybe. sounds long to me though. I could be wrong admittedly. but given that the whole things is under a mile, and a minute being a hellacious effort I'd figure it to be a tad shorter. If I had to guess I'd put a minute to be somewhere between turn '2' and '3.' But like I said, I'm talking out my ass. I have 4 seconds of 0 about a minute from the finish, so that could be where you went and I pulled up the handbrake.
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Bethel Crit 45+, 2nd of 53
Last lap, super strong guy OTF solo, two chasers. On the back stretch the whole field was trying to get on @gsteinb's wheel, so I figured what the heck and took a flyer from a minute out. Passed the chasers and was surprised to make it to the line clear of the field. I got away with one and don't expect to get away with it again, at least not with these guys.
Bethel Crit 3/4, 7th of 59
TKP, CDR and I played a friendly game of who can finish the race on the fewest watts. I spent about half the race caboosing it up at the very back. The problem with the very back is that you have to close gaps when the guy in front of you throws in the towel. I had to close a big gap with about 4 to go which was too bad. There were two guys OTF but I had no idea, I couldn't even see the front of the race from where I was for most of it. Moved up with one to go, got a clear shot at the line from 100m on the inside and tried to sprint but I had absolutely nothing. A lot of guys got bottled up behind a crash on the other side of the road. I don't care for all the crashes in 3/4 races.
@theKillerPenguin, @carpediemracing: I got 214 NP, 181 AP. What did you get?
Last lap, super strong guy OTF solo, two chasers. On the back stretch the whole field was trying to get on @gsteinb's wheel, so I figured what the heck and took a flyer from a minute out. Passed the chasers and was surprised to make it to the line clear of the field. I got away with one and don't expect to get away with it again, at least not with these guys.
Bethel Crit 3/4, 7th of 59
TKP, CDR and I played a friendly game of who can finish the race on the fewest watts. I spent about half the race caboosing it up at the very back. The problem with the very back is that you have to close gaps when the guy in front of you throws in the towel. I had to close a big gap with about 4 to go which was too bad. There were two guys OTF but I had no idea, I couldn't even see the front of the race from where I was for most of it. Moved up with one to go, got a clear shot at the line from 100m on the inside and tried to sprint but I had absolutely nothing. A lot of guys got bottled up behind a crash on the other side of the road. I don't care for all the crashes in 3/4 races.
@theKillerPenguin, @carpediemracing: I got 214 NP, 181 AP. What did you get?
In the 3/4s unfortunately I got caught behind the crash and moved right at which point myself and another dude collided but leaned on each other and stayed upright, then sprinted haha. We were gaining on the dudes that got through but it was just too much real estate and not enough momentum.
The 1/2/3s was straight up thunderdome, since early breaks seem to stick pretty often in the upper cat race I decided I was going to make sure I was in it and I burned all of the matches in the first 50 minutes marking and getting into all of the things that looked like they'd become moves, but nothing stuck until the end, and I was totally running on fumes for the last half hour. GC don't want to know my AP/NP for this one.
edit: All of the 3/4 race I've done this year have had a crash in the last 500m.
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red kite TT 2/3
3rd. beat who I should beat, decent time. teammate took 2nd.
red kite tt m123
7th/17 - beat some guys I wouldn't have expected to beat on my 2nd run. last year run two was +1min. this year run two was +15s. some sort of progress
red kite tt merckx - 4th
4th, by 10s from first. had to check up and skid from 30 to 15mph in order to not hit a car that turned right in front of me. my streak of merckx wins was unfairly taken. there's a summer version of this day and I will have justice.
overall an alright day. cumulative times from 3 runs were 2:15 faster than the last time I did this, last June or July, when I was pretty peaked.
3rd. beat who I should beat, decent time. teammate took 2nd.
red kite tt m123
7th/17 - beat some guys I wouldn't have expected to beat on my 2nd run. last year run two was +1min. this year run two was +15s. some sort of progress
red kite tt merckx - 4th
4th, by 10s from first. had to check up and skid from 30 to 15mph in order to not hit a car that turned right in front of me. my streak of merckx wins was unfairly taken. there's a summer version of this day and I will have justice.
overall an alright day. cumulative times from 3 runs were 2:15 faster than the last time I did this, last June or July, when I was pretty peaked.
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First race of the year, snagged an upgrade point. Got the door slammed on me in the sprint and had to wait then jump again, so maybe have podium legs if I play my cards right.
Eta: also the first time I've cracked 750 watts since... Late January, early February? So the sprint should have room to improve still!
Eta: also the first time I've cracked 750 watts since... Late January, early February? So the sprint should have room to improve still!
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Props to NE racing gang. OMG mattm lapped the field. Look out points race. CGs Fudgy with the shrink on TT helmet.
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Nick B from Integrity Racing or whatever they're called.
He's been fast lately so at least I didn't lose to some slow loser!
10 of us; not a ton, but enough to at least make it interesting.
2nd lap I put in a dig and 3 came with, and we rode away.. two guys in our break had team mates, Nick & I didn't. After about 45 minutes we saw the tail end of the field, and I said to Nick "I don't want to catch the field, do you?". He agreed, but right as I said that the other two guys attacked and made the bridge. Didn't end up mattering in the end, since 1 & 2 didn't have any team mates at the race.
It became a slow cat n mouse game after we lapped; I tried to get away a few times, but was chased down. We did a few laps at <20 mph towards the end.
Came into the 300m finish straight together, I went first and saw daylight in front of me, but Nick came by and beat me by a length or two.
He's been fast lately so at least I didn't lose to some slow loser!
2nd lap I put in a dig and 3 came with, and we rode away.. two guys in our break had team mates, Nick & I didn't. After about 45 minutes we saw the tail end of the field, and I said to Nick "I don't want to catch the field, do you?". He agreed, but right as I said that the other two guys attacked and made the bridge. Didn't end up mattering in the end, since 1 & 2 didn't have any team mates at the race.
It became a slow cat n mouse game after we lapped; I tried to get away a few times, but was chased down. We did a few laps at <20 mph towards the end.
Came into the 300m finish straight together, I went first and saw daylight in front of me, but Nick came by and beat me by a length or two.