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Old 01-06-15, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by YMCA
very agreed
Agreed, but this is the perfect time to start mixing it up and getting them guessing.
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Agreed, but this is the perfect time to start mixing it up and getting them guessing.
It's always the time to mix it up. Tactics vary race to race. Predictable racers telegraph attacks
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Ontario Grand Prix 'The Icebreaker' Cat 4/5 (30 plus)
12th (unofficially) out of 30ish

First race in 5 months. The first anything competitive in awhile. This worked for Rocky when he went to Siberia to train, we'll see how it works for my season.

It was pouring and in the 50's. Not sprinkling, pouring. If you saw the final race in the movie Rush, that's what it was like. Like the movie, people we're telling me to 'go easy out there', and like the movie, I put down my glasses and said 'f*** it'. There were quite a few crashes prior to our race, however I trusted my tires to hold the corners.

First few laps I was still figuring things out, but after the 3rd lap cornering well and my sphere was for the most part, tight. Despite the hostile conditions, the pace was still fast (for this Category). Early on, racers tried to go off the front but were all caught. I stayed top 10 most of the race and was comfortable, not quite recovery ride but not huffing at all. Two laps to go, I was top 3 with a teammate taking a front pull and I went hard, hoping to get a few to tag along and help. Got a 6 bike gap, but I was alone in the wind. After 90 seconds I knew the trifling lead was not going to stick. I sat back in and conserved until the final stretch.

Going into the final turns I was in a perfect spot. My heart rate was still high and it was apparent the prior laps gambit was costly. Felt just a bit off and didn't quite have the watts to keep on wheels in the final stretch. Finished towards the back of the first pack. Both teammates got top 10.
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Final thoughts; that was a fun race! Going off the front may have worked if the racers were tentative in the rain, but that was not the case.

Very smooth racers for the first of the year, no sketchiness at all. The rain sucked before and after, but it was pretty awesome to race in. I was shaking uncontrollably after, and learned USAC had camera issues and only counted the top 5. They're going off spectator cameras which apparently put me at twelfth. A ton of no shows, but still a solid field. Next race is Saturday, maybe then I wont respect the sprinters as much and save it to the end.
@RacerX, Marvin won his race on a 3 man break.
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Nice job mr. ferret, sounds like a solid race. Racing in the rain can be interesting for sure!
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One of my best/favorite races was a ~30 minute crit...at best it was 35 degrees...and pouring rain. I was steaming the second I stopped and just about froze. It was pretty awesome
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Early Bird #2 1/2/3's - team mate won from the break, I won the field sprint.

2 hour ride there (took the long way), at first alone then with team mates. We had 6 guys or so, out of 25 (if that) so good numbers.
@Ygduf was patient enough to wait the first 30 mins, and do nothing (as planned), saving himself for the end. I attacked randomly and repeatedly in teh first 20 mins, trying to get a break going. I wasn't fast enough/nobody worked hard enough/they didn't stick.

Eventually 3 got away, including one of our guys. Before too long they were out of sight, sweet. Fudgy and another power monster guy on our team tried to bridge, and were in no-man's land for maybe 30 mins, while I was ensconced in the "field" just hanging out, being lazy, and shutting down other bridge attempts.

Just before the last lap Fudgy attacked but one of our guys tried to go too, which brought the whole field up to their wheels.. oops. I tried to lead out a new kid on our team, but he got boxed in and nobody came around so I took the field sprint for 4th. Glad that our guy took the win, even if this is just a training crit that doesn't get recorded/count for anything.

Then rode home an hour in the cold/dark.
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Great work guys! Sounds like you guys are going to have quite a big squad for 2015.
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Nice FF and Mattm. Off to a great start.
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Early Bird 2, cat 4, 8/44

This week a few guys took off at the start, I joined. Pulled back. I watched a couple breaks get pulled in, then went with one. We stayed out for a while but never got too far. Breakmates went back, new ones came up. Kept trying. Kept switching up breakmates until eventually we were all pulled back. Sat in and waited. Pace was fast with a few to go so I stayed in. I attacked a minute or so out, caught halfway to the line so I just hammered as hard as I could all the way and ended up 8th. Takeaway is, it could have worked maybe IF I hadn't spent so much energy trying to get a break to stick. Probably should have waited for the sprint, but whatever. Training race.
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Originally Posted by mattm
Early Bird #2 1/2/3's - team mate won from the break, I won the field sprint.

2 hour ride there (took the long way), at first alone then with team mates. We had 6 guys or so, out of 25 (if that) so good numbers.
@Ygduf was patient enough to wait the first 30 mins, and do nothing (as planned), saving himself for the end. I attacked randomly and repeatedly in teh first 20 mins, trying to get a break going. I wasn't fast enough/nobody worked hard enough/they didn't stick.

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Just before the last lap Fudgy attacked but one of our guys tried to go too, which brought the whole field up to their wheels.. oops. I tried to lead out a new kid on our team, but he got boxed in and nobody came around so I took the field sprint for 4th. Glad that our guy took the win, even if this is just a training crit that doesn't get recorded/count for anything.

Then rode home an hour in the cold/dark.

nice job
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nice job
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
Ontario Grand Prix 'The Icebreaker' Cat 4/5 (30 plus)
12th (unofficially) out of 30ish

First race in 5 months. The first anything competitive in awhile. This worked for Rocky when he went to Siberia to train, we'll see how it works for my season.

It was pouring and in the 50's. Not sprinkling, pouring. If you saw the final race in the movie Rush, that's what it was like. Like the movie, people we're telling me to 'go easy out there', and like the movie, I put down my glasses and said 'f*** it'. There were quite a few crashes prior to our race, however I trusted my tires to hold the corners.

First few laps I was still figuring things out, but after the 3rd lap cornering well and my sphere was for the most part, tight. Despite the hostile conditions, the pace was still fast (for this Category). Early on, racers tried to go off the front but were all caught. I stayed top 10 most of the race and was comfortable, not quite recovery ride but not huffing at all. Two laps to go, I was top 3 with a teammate taking a front pull and I went hard, hoping to get a few to tag along and help. Got a 6 bike gap, but I was alone in the wind. After 90 seconds I knew the trifling lead was not going to stick. I sat back in and conserved until the final stretch.

Going into the final turns I was in a perfect spot. My heart rate was still high and it was apparent the prior laps gambit was costly. Felt just a bit off and didn't quite have the watts to keep on wheels in the final stretch. Finished towards the back of the first pack. Both teammates got top 10.
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Final thoughts; that was a fun race! Going off the front may have worked if the racers were tentative in the rain, but that was not the case.

Very smooth racers for the first of the year, no sketchiness at all. The rain sucked before and after, but it was pretty awesome to race in. I was shaking uncontrollably after, and learned USAC had camera issues and only counted the top 5. They're going off spectator cameras which apparently put me at twelfth. A ton of no shows, but still a solid field. Next race is Saturday, maybe then I wont respect the sprinters as much and save it to the end.
@RacerX, Marvin won his race on a 3 man break.
Nice to see someone on here that's local, I was out there yesterday as well. It was my first race, Cat 5, narrowly avoided a spill in the third lap after corner three. I was about 20ft back, heard a flat, and saw 4-5 guys go down very quickly and just managed to get around it. I finished 16th out of 33 finishers, but my primary goal was just to finish since it was my first race/raining.

You must be doing Rosena, if you're going out Saturday?
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Originally Posted by SoCAlAD8
Nice to see someone on here that's local, I was out there yesterday as well. It was my first race, Cat 5, narrowly avoided a spill in the third lap after corner three. I was about 20ft back, heard a flat, and saw 4-5 guys go down very quickly and just managed to get around it. I finished 16th out of 33 finishers, but my primary goal was just to finish since it was my first race/raining.

You must be doing Rosena, if you're going out Saturday?
16th isn't too bad for a first race, most new guys are figuring stuff out and place near last (I did).

Yes, Rosena Ranch. Right now I'm planning to do the 10:50 race, unless teammates convince me otherwise.
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Good Luck!

I want to go, but already have plans to ride GMR that morning. My next race will likely be the Roger Millikan Memorial Race on Feb 8th.
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Rosena Ranch P1/2 - maybe.
A very good course for junior gears. Sunday after rain race Puppy goes and sits in the car with about 6 teammates - now he has a cold. New bike is not here yet (they sent wrong size). So, not my favorite start to the season.
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Originally Posted by Doge
Rosena Ranch P1/2 - maybe.
A very good course for junior gears. Sunday after rain race Puppy goes and sits in the car with about 6 teammates - now he has a cold. New bike is not here yet (they sent wrong size). So, not my favorite start to the season.
Keep in mind that race can have massive crosswinds, so it may be perfect for him.

(Massive as in enough to bring someone down)
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That's no joke, coming from someone who grew up in Fontana, the winds can be serious in that area.
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Rosena Ranch 4/5 30+
20 out of 26

If there was one theme for this race, it was wind. Second lap a guy took off and 2 of his teammates just sat in front going really slow. Everyone seemed to be okay with this, so I took a pull but when I was done no one really wanted to help so I just sat in. Did this again, but no help. Finally got smart and sat in. Towards the end of the 3rd lap I dropped my chain, so I had to pull off the pack and get it situated. Luckily I was able to get it back on without getting off the bike, and only lost about 20 seconds on the pack. Not shortly after though there was a surge and I couldn't stay on. Because of the wind the race turned into four small packs, and I rolled in with the last bunch.

I really just screwed the pooch on this one because like last week, I was not patient. The chain drop was unfortunate but if I didn't take the 2 pulls I would have been fine. My teammate got 6th, and I get the feeling he's not going to be a 4 for very long =\ This was more of a Road Race than a crit and mostly a race of attrition (because of the wind). Had I sat in the whole race I would have done much better.
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Early Bird Patterson Road Race, Cat 4, 2nd of 10
Course: 22 miles out, 20 back. Avg 1% most of the way out, with a 10-11 minute, 9% climb to the turn around.

Started slow, 2 guys rolled off the front at maybe 200 watts. After they got 25" we pulled them back. After a while some guys would take turns pulling every now and then. About 25 minutes in I rolled off the front at threshold just as the pack was slowing, and pushed sub threshold to see how it would go. The pack hovered around 15 seconds back for like 15 minutes, as I debated going back vs holding out for help. Then I look back, and it's just one guy with the pack out of sight. I keep going hard and decide if he makes it he'll be good to work with. After a few minutes he made it. I make my pulls hard for a while to get some time, then reduce the effort to save up for the climb - it's no good to gain an extra few seconds just to lose a lot more on the climb.

We hit the climb and I hang on for a few minutes and then TT dude pulls ahead. Even with a minute lead at the start of the climb, one climber dude catches up and passes me. I hit the turnaround and bomb the descent. 2 seconds off Strava KOM wasn't enough to catch up on such a short descent, and then TT dude and Climber dude have the advantage. After a while, they are 20" up, and 2 more are 20" back.

This is where I make my critical error that possibly cost me a win. I noticed the 2 chasers gaining on me, and I kept going in hopes of catching my rabbits first, but I really should have known that wasn't going to happen. I should have known I would be caught, then we would have to catch TT dude & climber. I should have eased up and helped chase sooner, saving energy and gaining speed, but it's tough to think rationally sometimes. 20' later they caught me, and ref gave us the gap: 40 seconds.

It's amazing how much faster we went when I got 1:30 rest for every 0:45 effort. 3 or 4 pulls later the gap was down to 15". I took one more pull,let the other 2 suffer and take extra long pulls, then attacked at a roller. Unfortunately, it was just then that the 2 up ahead looked back and saw how close we had got - and they took off as well. I look back and we lost one guy (who had been attempting to skip pulls). I rest, take another pull, and see the 1k sign. ****! "One more pull?" He obliges, but it's nowhere near fast enough, and I don't want to sprint for 3rd when we are this close. So I pick it up, just as climber dude makes his final move and drops TT dude (who is looking beat). I can't catch climber dude, so I leave a few seconds gap in hopes the guy on my wheel chickens out and pulls me up. He didn't (turns out he didn't have anything left), so I did my own work, passed TT dude, passed the 200 sign, sprinted, and dropped the other guy.

Tough race, 2 hours at 0.93 IF
Followed it up with 8x15" sprints.
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@aaronmcd I was there as well. I got caught ~5km to go as I was beat and couldn't shake the guy behind me at 1km and he sprinted at 200m left. I don't know what happens to the other guy that caught up though. I think he dropped backed.

I thought it was a classic move that I gave him props at the end.

See you around!
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@aaronmcd I was there as well. I got caught ~5km to go as I was beat and couldn't shake the guy behind me at 1km and he sprinted at 200m left. I don't know what happens to the other guy that caught up though. I think he dropped backed.

I thought it was a classic move that I gave him props at the end.

See you around!
So you were in the lead? I guess that makes you a pretty good climber then?
Anyway, nice job on your first race!
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Great racing Aaronmcd, Furiousferret and Nokia8860.
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Great racing Aaronmcd, Furiousferret and Nokia8860.
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
Early Bird Patterson Road Race, Cat 4, 2nd of 10
Course: 22 miles out, 20 back. Avg 1% most of the way out, with a 10-11 minute, 9% climb to the turn around.

Started slow, 2 guys rolled off the front at maybe 200 watts. After they got 25" we pulled them back. After a while some guys would take turns pulling every now and then. About 25 minutes in I rolled off the front at threshold just as the pack was slowing, and pushed sub threshold to see how it would go. The pack hovered around 15 seconds back for like 15 minutes, as I debated going back vs holding out for help. Then I look back, and it's just one guy with the pack out of sight. I keep going hard and decide if he makes it he'll be good to work with. After a few minutes he made it. I make my pulls hard for a while to get some time, then reduce the effort to save up for the climb - it's no good to gain an extra few seconds just to lose a lot more on the climb.

We hit the climb and I hang on for a few minutes and then TT dude pulls ahead. Even with a minute lead at the start of the climb, one climber dude catches up and passes me. I hit the turnaround and bomb the descent. 2 seconds off Strava KOM wasn't enough to catch up on such a short descent, and then TT dude and Climber dude have the advantage. After a while, they are 20" up, and 2 more are 20" back.

This is where I make my critical error that possibly cost me a win. I noticed the 2 chasers gaining on me, and I kept going in hopes of catching my rabbits first, but I really should have known that wasn't going to happen. I should have known I would be caught, then we would have to catch TT dude & climber. I should have eased up and helped chase sooner, saving energy and gaining speed, but it's tough to think rationally sometimes. 20' later they caught me, and ref gave us the gap: 40 seconds.

It's amazing how much faster we went when I got 1:30 rest for every 0:45 effort. 3 or 4 pulls later the gap was down to 15". I took one more pull,let the other 2 suffer and take extra long pulls, then attacked at a roller. Unfortunately, it was just then that the 2 up ahead looked back and saw how close we had got - and they took off as well. I look back and we lost one guy (who had been attempting to skip pulls). I rest, take another pull, and see the 1k sign. ****! "One more pull?" He obliges, but it's nowhere near fast enough, and I don't want to sprint for 3rd when we are this close. So I pick it up, just as climber dude makes his final move and drops TT dude (who is looking beat). I can't catch climber dude, so I leave a few seconds gap in hopes the guy on my wheel chickens out and pulls me up. He didn't (turns out he didn't have anything left), so I did my own work, passed TT dude, passed the 200 sign, sprinted, and dropped the other guy.

Tough race, 2 hours at 0.93 IF
Followed it up with 8x15" sprints.
nice job man!

next time maybe do those sprints at the end of the race tho.
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