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Old 03-05-15, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I asked several times for someone to give me an example of a post I made that was inconstant with my view that riders should not break rules. No one has.

Here is an older video below. This is not very uncommon with juniors/this rider. I know of a few adults that do this. I don't have to think hard to say this is not fair / Ethical. But it was not penalized then and generally not penalized. So it goes in my not cheating but being too big a dick category.
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i'm late to the party, but what is this conversation about? that riding is super sketchy. i hope someone spoke to that junior so he could stop doing that before it became a problem.

it occurred to me that perhaps a good rule of thumb is this:
if what one is doing would make them cringe if someone happened to catch it on video, then perhaps they've crossed that mythical ethical line.

(along similar lines, i worked for a company where our standard was "don't send anything in an email that you wouldn't feel comfortable having read aloud in a court of law.")
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I asked several times for someone to give me an example of a post I made that was inconstant with my view that riders should not break rules. No one has.
I don't think the reason why you haven't gotten the response you're looking for is the same as you think it is.

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I have given several examples regarding rule interpretation and some of the reasons why officials interpret them the way they do.
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Old 03-06-15, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
I don't think the reason why you haven't gotten the response you're looking for is the same as you think it is.


also, it depends.

is taking a good line between potholes unethical if dudes following you crash on them? all this **** depends.
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Old 03-06-15, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
also, it depends.

is taking a good line between potholes unethical if dudes following you crash on them? all this **** depends.
Paris Roubaix - choosing a line 4" wide between pot holes on each side over a 24" wider path I would think would be the preferred route. I'll have to ask around.
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Old 03-06-15, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
also, it depends.

is taking a good line between potholes unethical if dudes following you crash on them? all this **** depends.
I was also thinking this is similar to what you may have done at Knights Ferry leading a junior through the trash when you clearly had better tires.
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Old 03-06-15, 02:29 PM
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Old 03-06-15, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I was also thinking this is similar to what you may have done at Knights Ferry leading a junior through the trash when you clearly had better tires.


?!!


This is deranged.




imo ymmv fwiw.
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Deranged that he accused super fudge of aiming for debris in the hopes of flatting a junior, or deranged that fudgy did it?

This place is getting interesting
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Old 03-06-15, 02:37 PM
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There was no foul play by @Ygduf and nothing unethical. He also was on less puncture prone tires. We had 4 riders with 6 flats.

If a rider is on 27mm PR tires and being followed by someone on TT tires - a route favoring their equipment may just be better racing.

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Old 03-06-15, 02:38 PM
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I'm going to go buy some popcorn brb?!
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Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
Deranged that he accused super fudge of aiming for debris in the hopes of flatting a junior, or deranged that fudgy did it?

This place is getting interesting

This one! The former. First one.


I mean come on. I don't even know where to begin with this one. Plus Y probably weighs 100 lbs more than the kid. And posts photos of his patently unsafe sidewall-blown-out racing tires!

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I do think it's sort of fascinating how super-Y gets under people's skin. Reminds me of Dennis Rodman a little bit. Without the Madonna and North Korea stuff. Probably.
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Is it ethical to hijack a thread?

If so, I'm going to post a bunch of my music to make this thread about me.
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Old 03-06-15, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I was also thinking this is similar to what you may have done at Knights Ferry leading a junior through the trash when you clearly had better tires.
lol, no, when your last kid flatted out and left me on my own I was pretty sure I'd lost my shot at the win.

At districts last year when I was being drafted on my right hip I may have ridden with enough space for 1 rider to sit there and he may have lucked into a thorn which are common in that space on that road.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
I do think it's sort of fascinating how super-Y gets under people's skin. Reminds me of Dennis Rodman a little bit. Without the Madonna and North Korea stuff. Probably.

please. 1, I would absolutely unplug the life support on @Doge 's mother to get a 4th place finish, so it's not an unfair accusation. 2, it was too wet for any of those shenanigans. I already said when I saw his kid trying to bridge I went to the front to make sure it was going to be hard!

It's all love!
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Old 03-06-15, 03:28 PM
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So when all the racers are standing on the starting line and its packed about 10 rows deep and there is that corner funnel 300 yards after the start a late racer enters from the front and finds a timid / "nice" racer to put their bike in front of.
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At Snelling I have pics of the entire AirGas team cheating the double yellow to move up on the neutral promenade!
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So when all the racers are standing on the starting line and its packed about 10 rows deep and there is that corner funnel 300 yards after the start a late racer enters from the front and finds a timid / "nice" racer to put their bike in front of.
Thats when my skinny elbows get wide. Happens all the time up here, guys showing up late to the line and trying to squeeze their way into the first row from the front.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
At Snelling I have pics of the entire AirGas team cheating the double yellow to move up on the neutral promenade!
Buncha amateurs. I hope you yelled "Yellow line!" and shook your head in disgust.
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At Snelling I have pics of the entire AirGas team cheating the double yellow to move up on the neutral promenade!
I can't remember which race it was a few years ago, a pretty big stage race around here, where during the women's pro race one of the Canadian teams kept attacking over the yellow. They were warned twice before the whole team was DSQ'd for the entire race. See ya.
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I think it was 2007? that the Australian Budget Forklifts b squad entered the cat 3 race at Fitchburg, and did the same sort of stuff during the road race. No DQ though, presumably the refs were sympathetic to a bunch of Aussies forgetting that in 'Murrica we ride on the right side of the yellow line.
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I can't remember which race it was a few years ago, a pretty big stage race around here, where during the women's pro race one of the Canadian teams kept attacking over the yellow. They were warned twice before the whole team was DSQ'd for the entire race. See ya.
Killington. I was there. It wasn't just that their team got DQed. They were also the winning team. "Were"
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Thats when my skinny elbows get wide. Happens all the time up here, guys showing up late to the line and trying to squeeze their way into the first row from the front.
My intent was more along the lines of this stuff - not things that are rules.
In SoCal it does not happen all the time. So I put it in the ethically questionable / un-cool category, but clearly not rule breaking (or is it??).
But if someone was racing where it did happen all the time and there was an advantage to come from it, then I would think it would be good to learn that technique.

My son said the biggest thing he learned in Belgium was how to wiggle up to 3 row from about row 8 or 9 before the start. He doesn't do that in the USA, but there he learned you can line up row 3 and start row 7 if you just stand around.
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Here is a local one I've seen a couple times on short SoCal crits. Teammate breaks away and teammate gets "dropped" and they meet half way and both make it back to the pack. Other than appearance there is no way of telling if what happened - but they both made it back to the pack. It is somewhat vague what "lead" and "accept assistance" means..

3D4. Riders who have lost contact with the field, and are
then caught by a breakaway from the field, may not lead.
Riders off the front of the field may not accept assistance
from riders who have lost contact with the back of the field.


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