Doge

The first winner of the TdF was Maurice Garin. HE won again in 1904, but was later disqualified for cheating taking the train to victory in the Alps.
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gsteinb

I see.

hack

I wonder if he used the train trick the first go around and since no one explicitly told him it wasn't against the rules, he just assumed it was a legit move.

grolby

The TdF rulebook was just way too long to reasonably expect anyone to know the "don't take the train" rule.

himespau 

Man, I read that story and now I'm really wondering how he did it.

Ygduf

The DQ'd him twice: once because he cheated, and another when he failed to report his own cheating.

hack

insert :mindblown gif:

shovelhd

California riders are all doped.

Ygduf

vit D

shovelhd

Dude with all the time you spend on the E-Motions you could be the world champion of Zwift. Lost opportunity.

hack

need strikethrough up in here for better post quoting

gsteinb

It doesn't really have any use for me, since I just follow the workouts I'm sent and numbers on a power meter. Watching episodic dramas have served me well for many years. It's a system I like and don't really care to mess with. That isn't to say I think Zwift is bad, or that it isn't very useful for others. It's just taken over my facebook feed and I'm a wee bit over it.

shovelhd

I know, teammie. I'm just having fun on a Friday.

gsteinb

no I hear you. I just don't want the general population that I'm a zwift hater or anything since I know the guys

shovelhd

Your Internet rep is legendary.

gsteinb

So if you're using zwift and you're using a power curve vs actual ant+ power is it cheating?

Doge

So in a desire to get done sooner (as I had to drive some) I motor paced several cyclists (on a few different occasions - and not just juniors) . I then saw their reports on Strava.

hack

^I hope you flagged them all

Doge

I have never even read the Strava rules - and couldn't find them when I looked. Some of the rides we care about are group, some are solo. I have only flagged those 45 mph rides that knock my son off his KOMs.
I just plug in the Garmin each day and it uploads whatever it uploads. A couple of times it was left on in the car and that got flagged - and deleted.

TheKillerPenguin

Strava is serious business.

spectastic

alcohol can numb pain? damn

globecanvas

There aren't any. It's total anarchy! Everybody is drunk all the time and nobody snitches.

Doge

Then no point in deleting those bike in trunk KOMs

Hermes

Surfer3287

Maybe it's the teacher part of me that has stopped me from entering into this argument previously, but I'm glad someone else is having to deal with the dilemma of ethics with teaching in mind. It blows my mind how often middle school students have questions or actions that involve these kinds of arguments and "solutions" to their classroom problems, i.e. "I didn't know I couldn't do that" or "you're the only teacher who doesn't let us do "X"." I have to often step back and remember they are in middle school, and some need these moments to be genuine life-lessons. This is especially important to me - every teacher would like to think their class is important, but as a Civics teacher, I care less about making them informed voters and more about making them informed and responsible citizens - one day they're going to be our neighbors.

That being said, it truly scares me how often I hear parents (and sometimes, even teachers) share the similarly-shady ethical views of their students. If you wonder where it comes, first check the home. Then, check the neighborhood/community (and the classroom.) That does not mean that Doge (or any one else here) is a bad parent; it is not my right to say how to parent, or to judge them. However, from a strictly professional standpoint, there ARE times when I am REQUIRED to speak up about moral/ethical issues that I see. Do I suspect that abuse is happening? Did your math teacher leave posters up uncovered during a standardized state test? Did you take Rx drugs to do better on a test but don't have a Rx? Laws are in place that put me in the awkward position of being responsible for judging people - not an enviable position, when my day is full of so many other things. My point is, however, that cultural differences are one thing that totally need to be considered and do not get enough consideration in many areas around the country (and world, for that matter.) We'd all like to believe that the values we believe are the best and are "true" - but the problem is, a lot of people fail on actually putting those ideals into practice in their daily lives, because they're too hard to follow, too idealistic, put us at an unfair advantage.

As a former-student/current teacher/soccer coach/everyday human being with a very strong right-wrong moral/ethical compass (oddly, from a non-religious family background), I'm not sure where it came from that I get so agitated with this. However, stuff like this gives me the eye-twitch moments. I was the kid that would feel sick and turn myself in to my parents because I knew I did something wrong. I know that isn't normal. That probably is the same feeling that the committee (any sport, really) want athletes to feel, but can rarely inspire. I know that middle school soccer players need a TON of ethical coaching in addition to sport coaching - and that is the reason why in three years I have never broken a .500 record. Winning isn't important enough to lose my job, my reputation, and my personal understanding of ethics that I would cheat. YMMV.

/rant