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Old 03-20-15, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
That wouldn't have happened if you guys didn't kill 2Pac. (pours 40oz in dirt)

If you guys want to read a great cheating story, look up the runner Kip Litton. He's the alpha of cheats.

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The first winner of the TdF was Maurice Garin. HE won again in 1904, but was later disqualified for cheating taking the train to victory in the Alps.
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Old 03-20-15, 01:44 PM
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I see.
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Old 03-20-15, 01:47 PM
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I wonder if he used the train trick the first go around and since no one explicitly told him it wasn't against the rules, he just assumed it was a legit move.
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Originally Posted by hack
I wonder if he used the train trick the first go around and since no one explicitly told him it wasn't against the rules, he just assumed it was a legit move.
The TdF rulebook was just way too long to reasonably expect anyone to know the "don't take the train" rule.
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Man, I read that story and now I'm really wondering how he did it.


Originally Posted by furiousferret
That wouldn't have happened if you guys didn't kill 2Pac. (pours 40oz in dirt)

If you guys want to read a great cheating story, look up the runner Kip Litton. He's the alpha of cheats.

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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I see.
Originally Posted by hack
I wonder if he used the train trick the first go around and since no one explicitly told him it wasn't against the rules, he just assumed it was a legit move.
Originally Posted by grolby
The TdF rulebook was just way too long to reasonably expect anyone to know the "don't take the train" rule.
The DQ'd him twice: once because he cheated, and another when he failed to report his own cheating.

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Old 03-20-15, 02:26 PM
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Well, as we all know, the best racers are all in California, a California 4 is like a NE 2.
California riders are all doped.
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California riders are all doped.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
hey can one of you geeks write a script that **** cans #zwift posts?
Dude with all the time you spend on the E-Motions you could be the world champion of Zwift. Lost opportunity.
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Old 03-20-15, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Dude with all the time you spend on the E-Motions you could be the world champion of Zwift. Lost opportunity.
It doesn't really have any use for me, since I just follow the workouts I'm sent and numbers on a power meter. Watching episodic dramas have served me well for many years. It's a system I like and don't really care to mess with. That isn't to say I think Zwift is bad, or that it isn't very useful for others. It's just taken over my facebook feed and I'm a wee bit over it.
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I know, teammie. I'm just having fun on a Friday.
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Old 03-20-15, 02:39 PM
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no I hear you. I just don't want the general population that I'm a zwift hater or anything since I know the guys
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Your Internet rep is legendary.
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So if you're using zwift and you're using a power curve vs actual ant+ power is it cheating?
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Old 03-20-15, 05:18 PM
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So in a desire to get done sooner (as I had to drive some) I motor paced several cyclists (on a few different occasions - and not just juniors) . I then saw their reports on Strava.
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^I hope you flagged them all
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I have never even read the Strava rules - and couldn't find them when I looked. Some of the rides we care about are group, some are solo. I have only flagged those 45 mph rides that knock my son off his KOMs.
I just plug in the Garmin each day and it uploads whatever it uploads. A couple of times it was left on in the car and that got flagged - and deleted.
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Strava is serious business.
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alcohol can numb pain? damn
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I have never even read the Strava rules
There aren't any. It's total anarchy! Everybody is drunk all the time and nobody snitches.
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Then no point in deleting those bike in trunk KOMs
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California riders are all doped.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
interestingly enough I'm presently involved in a committee to establish a code of ethics for my foundation's teacher training community. some of the issues that come up are cultural interpretations and norms (we have a world wide community) and how they relate to established moral precepts. For instance, not using intoxicants to heedlessness is at times interpreted to mean don't get drunk and others it shouldn't pass your lips. Would one be breaking a precept if they have an occasional glass of wine? And what of the precept not to take life? If one eats meat are they breaking the precept? The Buddha himself wasn't a vegetarian, and in fact a schism formed during his time when his cousin advocated for a strict vegetarian community. The important issue is that a moral code such as these don't undermine the purpose of a community, it's an inquiry in support of it. So that what transpires in relation to might be fair and wholesome.
Maybe it's the teacher part of me that has stopped me from entering into this argument previously, but I'm glad someone else is having to deal with the dilemma of ethics with teaching in mind. It blows my mind how often middle school students have questions or actions that involve these kinds of arguments and "solutions" to their classroom problems, i.e. "I didn't know I couldn't do that" or "you're the only teacher who doesn't let us do "X"." I have to often step back and remember they are in middle school, and some need these moments to be genuine life-lessons. This is especially important to me - every teacher would like to think their class is important, but as a Civics teacher, I care less about making them informed voters and more about making them informed and responsible citizens - one day they're going to be our neighbors.

That being said, it truly scares me how often I hear parents (and sometimes, even teachers) share the similarly-shady ethical views of their students. If you wonder where it comes, first check the home. Then, check the neighborhood/community (and the classroom.) That does not mean that Doge (or any one else here) is a bad parent; it is not my right to say how to parent, or to judge them. However, from a strictly professional standpoint, there ARE times when I am REQUIRED to speak up about moral/ethical issues that I see. Do I suspect that abuse is happening? Did your math teacher leave posters up uncovered during a standardized state test? Did you take Rx drugs to do better on a test but don't have a Rx? Laws are in place that put me in the awkward position of being responsible for judging people - not an enviable position, when my day is full of so many other things. My point is, however, that cultural differences are one thing that totally need to be considered and do not get enough consideration in many areas around the country (and world, for that matter.) We'd all like to believe that the values we believe are the best and are "true" - but the problem is, a lot of people fail on actually putting those ideals into practice in their daily lives, because they're too hard to follow, too idealistic, put us at an unfair advantage.

As a former-student/current teacher/soccer coach/everyday human being with a very strong right-wrong moral/ethical compass (oddly, from a non-religious family background), I'm not sure where it came from that I get so agitated with this. However, stuff like this gives me the eye-twitch moments. I was the kid that would feel sick and turn myself in to my parents because I knew I did something wrong. I know that isn't normal. That probably is the same feeling that the committee (any sport, really) want athletes to feel, but can rarely inspire. I know that middle school soccer players need a TON of ethical coaching in addition to sport coaching - and that is the reason why in three years I have never broken a .500 record. Winning isn't important enough to lose my job, my reputation, and my personal understanding of ethics that I would cheat. YMMV.

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