Originally Posted by skitbraviking
According to one local Surly/Soma dealer, the Surlys are basically plumbers pipes.
I wouldn't be buying anything from this dealer since he either doesn't know what he is talking about or he lied to upsell you (not much of an upsell either). Surly frames are made from 4130 Cro-Moly, double butted tubes on the front triangle. My first fixed was a lugged gas-pipe frame and they are vastly different creatures.