Since 1985 I have been using Bruce Gordon racks front and rear with Robert Beckman Designs Panniers on my BG RNR and Fat Chance Mountain Tandem. On and offroad the racks and bags become an immovable extension of the bike. Solid designs that have performed flawlessly for over twenty years of extensive and continuous use over every type of terrain. Some think that they are expensive. I find them inexpensive over the long haul time period.