Originally Posted by randya
you're giving up without even trying...IMO it's pretty depressing to see otherwise intelligent people rationalize the status quo when clearly there are better choices available, as has already been clearly demonstrated by the Dutch and others
as for your last point, no one here wants to see cyclists' rights diminished in any way, I think that's already been firmly established, you're beating a dead horse with this comment
As for your last point, there isn't a horse left living in the VC forum.
Again, cutting and pasting the Dutch model into American society might only give motorists more dominance over cyclists than they have now. You say it's been clearly demonstrated in Holland, but as I said, they don't have the American autocentric culture, as Buzzman pointed out.
You saw in my comments only what you were looking to see. I clearly pointed out that cycling facilities in this country must only be implemented alongside an equally vigorous cyclist-equality stance. That's not depressing, that's biting the bullet and facing the challenge.