George,
Really wish I could answer your question exactly. I have an LHT and the riding position with my hands on the cross bar (as opposed to the drops) is pretty upright. I think if you go to an LBS they will be able to adjust or change the stem on any of the bikes you mention to get it the way you want provided the bike fits you reasonably to begin with.
When I got my tourer, the LBS use a "fit cycle" (not a fitness cycle) to try out different geometries. This worked out really well and I would recommend this fitting process to anyone wanting a precise fit like you are.