But the Epic could be used for recreation right? I'm not going to bother test riding anything till next year but I'm just trying to rule out the ones I shouldn't even bother testing. I keep looking around at all the bikes available from different brands in the price range I don't wanna go over. Which is a pretty big budget of around $5500 max. Other than my worry about running into something that I might wish I had 140mm of suspension travel the Epic seems like a winner. Light, fast and efficient, exactly what I want in a new ride. There of course bikes I just wont consider like the Enduro SL because it's just too much suspension. I'm sure it would be a fun bike, but for most of my flat and uphill riding it would be tiring.