Done the saddle thing with position and height and they are really where they should be. Have 3 pairs of gloves and moving the hand does relieve, but on long rides it just becomes painful. I'll have to get some pics for while on the bike. I might lower the saddle some more after the pic and see if they irritates the knees.
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Brian | 2023 Trek Domane SLR 7 AXS | 2023 Trek CheckPoint SL 7 AXS | 2016 Trek Emonda ALR | 2022 Trek FX Sport 5
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