mark
thanks for the tips. however i was already using gmaps. what i was wondering was how to get from chester to carbondale without using hwy 3, and all you're telling me is to get to chester then somehow I'm supposed to just be happy with being in chester instead of my destination of carbondale. BUT after seeing the maps i guess i just gotta go to the north and take all those (confusing) roads thru Ava and Oraville.
thanks anyhow!