Unless they take out the time trials in 05 Jan will beat Vinny. The man cannot time trial any better than in 2003, and his effort that year was not enough. This discussion reminds me of those people last year who saind that Heras was going to be a contender at the TDF. Look at the past winners of the TDF, they are all good against the watch. The only exception I can think of was Pantani in 1998. That year he took 9 min. out of Jan on a rainy wet day in the Alps.