Yeah, the bikes that I'm talking about are usually mid-80's road bikes set up with a fixed gear. It seems to be pretty popular around here to do your own conversion of an old bike, and to have NO BRAKES AT ALL. I can see that not being such a big deal if you ride really flat areas, or on the track, but riding without brakes to commute in traffic, and to ride on rolling terrain with traffic lights at the bottom of biggish hills seems nuts to me.