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Old 04-05-15, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Me too, and this works wonderfully when only dealing with the occasional car. But what if you are being passed by dozens of cars that are following each other very close, and all you hear is car noise? Do your ears catch the rare car that is about to run you over or clip you in this situation?

Ears are great tools, but I prefer to verify with my eyes.
Agreed. Just to be clear, I do look before merging into the vehicular traffic. I use my ears primarily to check whether or not a car is coming up from behind, as a piece of information.
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Ears are unreliable. Wind noise in the ears, nearer cars/trucks and other sounds can drown out the sound of cars approaching from behind. If there is a car beside you, you won't be able to hear if another is further behind and approaching. Also the nature of the road surface and vehicles tires can greatly effect the amount of sound they make. Mirrors are 100% reliable within their field of view, which is large and steerable for eyeglass or helmet mounted mirrors.
I use my ears, and eyes. But that is me. A mirror works better for others. I don't use a mirror because, I would have to actually look at something. Whereas, My ears are constant wherever I am. With my eyes, I just quickly turn my head far enough. That I can briefly look with my peripheral vision and quickly turn my head back. Because.....
Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
Get used to the sound of approaching traffic behind you. With experience you'll often be able to not only know that there's a car coming up, but also whether he's making an adjustment for you.
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Old 04-05-15, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Ears are unreliable. Wind noise in the ears, nearer cars/trucks and other sounds can drown out the sound of cars approaching from behind. If there is a car beside you, you won't be able to hear if another is further behind and approaching. Also the nature of the road surface and vehicles tires can greatly effect the amount of sound they make. Mirrors are 100% reliable within their field of view, which is large and steerable for eyeglass or helmet mounted mirrors.
Agreed, and well stated.

I'm now wondering if we haven't been newbie trolled.
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Old 04-07-15, 05:04 PM
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When I'm driving I don't need a mirror until I want to merge or turn. They serve no safety purpose when I'm just driving in my lane. It does me no good to know what traffic behind me is doing.

Same with a bike.

When I'm in a car, the time I need my mirrors is especially when I'm merging and also turning.

When I'm on my bike, my neck is capable of putting my eyes anywhere I need to see when I'm merging or turning.

I just have never seen the value of a mirror. I tried to use one for a few weeks last year, but found that it did nothing to improve safety, and actually distracted me from the road ahead (and therfore side streets and driveways - where the real danger comes from).

How does being able to see traffic come up from behind make a cyclist safer? I just can't see the value given the fact they distract you (maybe momentarily, but still...) from the road ahead.

Once in a blue moon someone gets run over by an overtaking vehicle, but have any mirror users atually used them to evade an unsafe passer? The most common bicycle accidents I hear of are intersection accidents (bike or car fault), right (or left) hooks, and also just plain stupid maneuvers by cyclists. Mirrors don't help that.
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Old 04-07-15, 06:15 PM
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I really believe Walmart needs to invest in a helmet with a "built in" rear view mirror. If such a helmet existed, millions of cyclist would become exposed to rear view mirrors and would expect them on every helmet. Once you start using them, you'll feel naked riding without one. However, the one company that made one only makes it available for motorcycle riders.
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Old 04-08-15, 06:27 AM
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One good things about rumble strips on hiways is the fact if a cyclist hears the noise from behind, they can dive for the bar pit. Probably another fool on his or her cell phone.
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Old 04-08-15, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
When I'm driving I don't need a mirror until I want to merge or turn. They serve no safety purpose when I'm just driving in my lane. It does me no good to know what traffic behind me is doing.

Same with a bike.
Sure riding a bike is just like a car, to include riding at the same speed as all the cars on the road too, eh? I assume your ability to ride at the same speed as the car/truck traffic is why you have no interest in what approaching traffic from the rear may be doing.
And yes, by keeping aware of approaching traffic to the rear, I have avoided being struck by motorists who were driving the speed limit (55mph) and gave no indication that they intended to pass safely.
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Old 04-08-15, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
+1

Get used to the sound of approaching traffic behind you. With experience you'll often be able o not only that there's a car coming up, but also whether he's making an adjustment for you.

Also, I find it easier to ride in a predictable line, and allow the cars to adjust. I'll move right, or make another adjustment to create passing opportunities on narrow roads, but for he most part let drivers make the adjustments.
Sure I rely on my hearing and have for a long time. On really windy days (and we get some pretty windy days in the midwest), your ability to hear cars will deteriorate.
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Old 04-08-15, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Ears are unreliable. Wind noise in the ears, nearer cars/trucks and other sounds can drown out the sound of cars approaching from behind. If there is a car beside you, you won't be able to hear if another is further behind and approaching. Also the nature of the road surface and vehicles tires can greatly effect the amount of sound they make. Mirrors are 100% reliable within their field of view, which is large and steerable for eyeglass or helmet mounted mirrors.
+ 1. I did a 43 mile ride last Sunday. It was a very windy day and you couldn't hear the cars.
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Old 04-08-15, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
When I'm driving I don't need a mirror until I want to merge or turn. They serve no safety purpose when I'm just driving in my lane. It does me no good to know what traffic behind me is doing.
That's a very simplistic view of driving. I know there are a heck of a lot of people who drive like this, and I think this is why there are as many accidents as there are.

I use my mirrors a lot when driving. If there's someone coming up behind me, even fairly far away, I try to estimate when they'll be up to me and I slightly adjust my speed if necessary to be able to not be in their way when they reach me. I also want to know who is behind me because (as every driver is SUPPOSED to) I always have at the back of my head a map of where the cars around me are so that if there's an emergency I know where I can bail out to. If I slam on the brakes can I swerve left or should I swerve right? Depends on whether there's a car there or nearly there.
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Old 04-08-15, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
I really believe Walmart needs to invest in a helmet with a "built in" rear view mirror. If such a helmet existed, millions of cyclist would become exposed to rear view mirrors and would expect them on every helmet. Once you start using them, you'll feel naked riding without one. However, the one company that made one only makes it available for motorcycle riders.
They have existed in the past. They've been uniformly discontinued because they cost a dollar or two more than the one without, and I think there are two sources of revenue for helmet makers - the mass market that won't pay an extra 10 cents for a safety feature, and racers who spend $200 on $30 pieces of styrofoam but demand racing styling, which does not include mirrors.
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Old 04-08-15, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
That's a very simplistic view of driving. I know there are a heck of a lot of people who drive like this, and I think this is why there are as many accidents as there are.

I use my mirrors a lot when driving. If there's someone coming up behind me, even fairly far away, I try to estimate when they'll be up to me and I slightly adjust my speed if necessary to be able to not be in their way when they reach me. I also want to know who is behind me because (as every driver is SUPPOSED to) I always have at the back of my head a map of where the cars around me are so that if there's an emergency I know where I can bail out to. If I slam on the brakes can I swerve left or should I swerve right? Depends on whether there's a car there or nearly there.
Well said,
Professional drivers are taught to check their mirrors every 4 to 6 seconds to be aware of their environment. Its part of "get the big picture", and "leave yourself an out".
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Old 04-08-15, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
So I guess that the vast majority of bicyclists are totally daft.

Nothing wrong with mirrors, but for my purposes, where I'm passed by hundreds of cars per hour, I can't make practical use of knowing that a car is coming up. By the time I can determine that he's not going around me, it's too late to make use of that info.

I'm aware that a mirror could be very handy when I ant to make a lane change to the left, but so far I have the ability to do that with a head turn. That may change with age, which is why I say so far.

Mirrors exist, use them if you want, don't if you don't.
Unless you commute in the suburbs where the cars passing you in an hour might be 20 -40. Big pickup with them really wide mirrors, give more space. Worst are the landscapers with wide trailers. Good to see those coming up behind you. They work for me in my situation.
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Old 04-08-15, 08:25 AM
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I kind of assume there is always a car coming. Is my behavior going to change if a car is coming? I do glance when I am approaching a left turn or road obstacle. I never ride a double paceline, so maybe this doesn't contribute anything.
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Old 04-08-15, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
I kind of assume there is always a car coming. Is my behavior going to change if a car is coming? I do glance when I am approaching a left turn or road obstacle. I never ride a double paceline, so maybe this doesn't contribute anything.
Sure, but do you assume that there's a car in every single lane coming up fast and your only good move is to slam on your brakes?

It's better to KNOW where the cars are, so you can retain the "out" at all times. That's what they are supposed to teach in driver's training anyway, not sure if they still do. After a few years of driving you don't even think about it anymore, you just know where the cars around you are, whether they're gaining on you, etc.

You can know when you reach this state if you have a car edge into your blind spot and sit there for a few seconds - you start to get itchy, you feel their presence even though you can't see them and you didn't really consciously keep track of them, and you start checking your shoulder to see what's making you nervous.

Then you speed up or slow down to get the moron out of your blind spot.
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Old 04-08-15, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Sure riding a bike is just like a car, to include riding at the same speed as all the cars on the road too, eh? I assume your ability to ride at the same speed as the car/truck traffic is why you have no interest in what approaching traffic from the rear may be doing.
And yes, by keeping aware of approaching traffic to the rear, I have avoided being struck by motorists who were driving the speed limit (55mph) and gave no indication that they intended to pass safely.
Well, I didn't mean to imply that riding a bike is just like driving a car. But yes, I really don't need to be observing cars approaching from behind. I've never had a need for it in 40+ years of riding on roads. The two people who I know got hit from behind (as opposed to the many, many who have been hit or had near misses in intersections, right hooks, or stupid bike maneuvers), could not have avoided them because the car swerved over and hit them (distracted).

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I kind of assume there is always a car coming. Is my behavior going to change if a car is coming? I do glance when I am approaching a left turn or road obstacle. I never ride a double paceline, so maybe this doesn't contribute anything.
Yea, this is pretty much it.

I hope that me stating a personal preference to not use a mirror doesn't offend the sensibilities of those that do use them. But I hope nobody will claim that I'm not being safe.
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You can know when you reach this state if you have a car edge into your blind spot and sit there for a few seconds - you start to get itchy, you feel their presence even though you can't see them and you didn't really consciously keep track of them, and you start checking your shoulder to see what's making you nervous.Then you speed up or slow down to get the moron out of your blind spot.
hmmm, yeah, I do that when driving a car
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I think I'd be almost as safe without a mirror as with... just not anywhere near as comfortable.

Even looking in my mirror I still don't see the OP.
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You can know when you reach this state if you have a car edge into your blind spot and sit there for a few seconds - you start to get itchy, you feel their presence even though you can't see them and you didn't really consciously keep track of them, and you start checking your shoulder to see what's making you nervous..
When I need to clear my throat I spit on the left side. I'd like to think motorists would rather not get spit on their cars than to do a close pass.
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I use my mirrors a lot when driving. If there's someone coming up behind me, even fairly far away, I try to estimate when they'll be up to me and I slightly adjust my speed if necessary to be able to not be in their way when they reach me. I also want to know who is behind me because (as every driver is SUPPOSED to) I always have at the back of my head a map of where the cars around me are so that if there's an emergency I know where I can bail out to. If I slam on the brakes can I swerve left or should I swerve right? Depends on whether there's a car there or nearly there.

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Well said,
Professional drivers are taught to check their mirrors every 4 to 6 seconds to be aware of their environment. part of "get the big picture", and "leave yourself an out".
Well said too, kickstart. Im an avid mirror advocate, and I wear both left and right. Your quote spotlights the essential difference between the continuous monitoring of rearward upcoming traffic facilitated by a rearview mirror vs the occasional over the shoulder check.

I emphasize that need for monitoring in Jims Law of the Road:No matter how well-paved or lightly traveled the Road, a vehicle is likely to pass you on the left as you encounter an obstacle on the right.
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Originally Posted by bayareacyclist View Post
If youre road cycling double file (with someone side by side), any ideas on how to check for cars approaching from behind without having to constantly turn your head?
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
I emphasize that need for monitoring in Jims Law of the Road:No matter how well-paved or lightly traveled the Road, a vehicle is likely to pass you on the left as you encounter an obstacle on the right.

May I add: ...AND an oncoming truck will be in the opposite lane. The truck, overtaking car, bicycle, and obstacle on the right will ALWAYS be perfectly synchronized to put the cyclist's life at the most possible risk.

OK...I know it's been said a million times but...MIRROR!
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I use my mirror so much that if I get on a bike without one it's like WTF?
In rush hour traffic I can usually see ahead for blocks to assess that rather quickly and so spend considerable time checking the mirror. Bad ears, neck and wind noise make the mirror my choice.
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I use my mirror so much that if I get on a bike without one it's like WTF?
In rush hour traffic I can usually see ahead for blocks to assess that rather quickly and so spend considerable time checking the mirror. Bad ears, neck and wind noise make the mirror my choice.
I use my mirror so much that even when walking, I'll glance upward and to the side (but not wearing a mirror) to see what's behind me.
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I use a left-side mirror first, then double check with my eyes and ears. I don't much care for pain, so I utilize all my resources.
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