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Old 04-18-15, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kickstart
I don't think there's widespread hatred of cyclists, but 30 minutes of reading A&S posts would probably turn most people into haters.
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Two incidents', while not even involving a bike. Have caused me to remove a bike horn. That a relative had put on my bike.

Houston woman talks about surviving road rage shooting | KXAN.com

That incident, and the woman who was killed in Las Vegas earlier this year by a teenager.

I would rather use a GoPro, and have the evidence on film. Rather than tick the driver off with a horn.

If there isn't hatred towards' cyclists'. There is a preponderance of ignorance towards' cyclists', their preferences, and the law.
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Get over the darn bridge...

I mean it...find the other side and move on.

If it helps you little I use the sidewalk, virtually nobody walks on it at the Interstate 84 overpass here and the big tall fence that was put there to prevent jumpers and falls has a swell 'Welcome to Oregon' sign with a covered wagon on the east side.

If the cop was an oinker, glad someone made him squeal wee wee all the way home, I suppose.

I always say, and repeat yet again...stay out of the way and keep pedaling and that should work 99.9 percent of the time.
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Originally Posted by howsteepisit
I think the proportion of car drivers who hate cyclists is far less than the proportion of cyclists who hate car drivers.
Hate is such a strong word. I don't hate motorists, I just don't appreciate the behaviour of some of them.

My impression of the news report was: "Ho hum, another mountain out of a mole hill". No doubt the trooper thought he had a compelling reason to stand there, and perhaps even weighed the impact of doing so on all of the bridge users. He just didn't communicate well.
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Old 04-19-15, 04:35 PM
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Who cares? I am an avid bike rider, I could care less what anyone thinks about it. Doesnt change a thing for me.
How much less?
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In a word NO.

there are some drivers who hat cyclists, or at least think they should stay off the roads, but they're a small minority in most place.

IME, the one place I do see hatred of cyclists is right here on BF. It seems that no one can hate certain cyclists as much as other cyclists who see themselves as somehow morally superior. We routinely see bashing of "lawless lycra clad...." and similar sub categories.

So how widespread is this, not at all but as in Pogo "we have met the enemy, and he is us"
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Great. Here I am literally just a few days (only waiting on a saddle) from resuming being a cyclist again after a brief thirty five year hiatus

And am I to understand that I am going to be hated upon by the entire U.S. population, including cops?

Now I must consider throwing the old steel back down in the basement and only riding my stationary recumbent.

Or, I'll just have to think of some way I can stay out of their way until I can out run 'em
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I've never been caught dead in Lycra...poly-cotton blends all the way!
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My daughter found a rant online somewhere that said something along the lines of,
"While walking, I hate cars. While driving, I hat pedestrians. I hate bicycles, not matter what."

(edit: I found the post: As a driver I hate pedestrians, and as a pedestrian I hate drivers, but no matter what the mode of transportation, I always hate cyclists. - (MDT))
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Originally Posted by MMACH 5
My daughter found a rant online somewhere that said something along the lines of..
You searched for and found an online rant that said something hateful about somebody or something?

Say it ain't so.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
You searched for and found an online rant that said something hateful about somebody or something?

Say it ain't so.
Crazy, ain't it? I must be an digital phenom!
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Old 04-21-15, 10:34 AM
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Is there widespread hatred of cyclists?

Originally Posted by welshTerrier2
For starters, check out this link from a local Boston TV station and watch the embedded video.

The video was filmed on the Longfellow Bridge which runs over the Charles River and connects Cambridge to Boston. The bridge is currently undergoing major renovations.

The video seems to show a single car travel lane with bike lanes on either side that serve both directions.

What struck me when I first watched the video was the "I don't give a damn" attitude of the state trooper. The cyclist raised a reasonable safety concern and the trooper couldn't have been less helpful.

It wasn't until I read the comments under the article, though, that I began to reflect on the degree of hostility for cyclists. Whether the commenters are just a handful of haters or whether they reflect a widely held view isn't clear.

What is clear is that if this much hatred of cyclists is common, we who are cycling advocates have a very difficult task ahead of us.


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Where do you encounter all these infuriated people complaining about arrogant and dangerous cyclists? Do they bring these observations gratuitously to you; are they presented in some sort of rationale tone; or is it more like the ranting seen in the comments section of any online publication on any and every subject?

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... One public reflection of those motorists’ attitudes is occasionally expressed on a talk radio show here in Boston, The Howie Carr Show, with anti-cycling rants as the topic. ….
It just so happened that last night as I was corresponding with a cyclist who had moved here to Boston,

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… I was distracted because I was on hold calling in to the Howie Carr Talk Show on WRKO. The topic was Howie’s column in response to the video linked to this thread on the Advocacy & Safety subforum, ” Is there widespread hatred of cyclists?”.

(I'm a talk show fan, and my screen name is the opening line when I (rarely) call in..."and now here's Jim from Boston...What's up, Jim?."
Howie was particularly peeved, not just at cyclists in general, as is his usual stance, but also that the State Trooper was assigned to take some kind of remedial "sensitivity” training. In my call, I introduced myself to Howie as his #1 Fan among Boston’s Bicycling Commuters, and referred to this thread by title. I then related my own personal story of vigorous enforcement of a bike lane.

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…BTW. I once double-parked the car outside my bike shop, Back Bay Bikes on Comm and Mass Aves, for a couple minutes, and got a $100 ticket for blocking a bike lane.
Originally Posted by kickstart
I don't think there's widespread hatred of cyclists, but 30 minutes of reading A&S posts would probably turn most people into haters.

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That is only because those non cyclist "people" (allegedly fat lazy murdering redneck doofuses) don't appreciate A&S brand Bicycling Advocacy™ when they see it.

Originally Posted by howsteepisit
I think the proportion of car drivers who hate cyclists is far less than the proportion of cyclists who hate car drivers.
Personally, I did not think the commenters to the video nor the callers to the talk show were particularly hateful, though one snow plow driver did admit to being slowed by a cyclist on a narrow road, and as he passed the cyclist he plowed out a wave of slush to his right. This winter of historic snowfalls though did bring out more hostility than usual.

Nonetheless “hatred” is way too strong a word; IMO here in Boston, more like “exasperation.” I think the whole flap was a tempest in a teapot.

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
…[To the cyclist in the video, and] to the OP, I would say, “What’s your problem?.”…To paraphrase Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca, "Of all the dangerous situations on all the roads in all the world, he complains about this one."

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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Nonetheless “hatred” is way too strong a word; IMO here in Boston, more like “exasperation.” I think the whole flap was a tempest in a teapot.
Doncha know that over-the-top hyperbole as well as hyperactive ranting of the tempest in a teapot variety are typical A&S Brand Advocacy™ responses to “exasperation”?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Doncha know that over-the-top hyperbole as well as hyperactive ranting of the tempest in a teapot variety are typical A&S Brand Advocacy™ responses to “exasperation”?
In a previous radio rant Howie Carr coined this term for extreme cycling advocates:

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One thing I found funny was that he referred to cyclists as a new “protected” class, the ”Spandex-Americans.” As funny IMO, as ”Gyno-Americans.”
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Originally Posted by Matariki
I don't hate motorists, I just don't appreciate the behavior of some of them.
I don't hate those motorists' that tick me off. Also, When a motorist honks at me, if I don't see that a light has changed from red, to green. Causes me to actually empathize with them.
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My impression of the news report was: "Ho hum, another mountain out of a mole hill". No doubt the trooper thought he had a compelling reason to stand there, and perhaps even weighed the impact of doing so on all of the bridge users. He just didn't communicate well.
The MSP trooper, that parked their vehicle in the bike lane was stupid. But the second MSP trooper(the one that was talked to)was both ignorant, and tactless. The cyclist was only trying do other cyclists' a favor. The MSP trooper behaved like he was irritated for even being asked.

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit
I think the proportion of car drivers who hate cyclists is far less than the proportion of cyclists who hate car drivers.
It's hard to say which of those "poles" is true. Personally, I think drivers are getting increasingly aggressive against everybody -- cyclists and other motorists alike. Cyclists often overreact in part because they have fewer defense mechanisms when they're out there on the road. The thing that really irks me is how often cops don't even know the rules as they pertain to cyclists. We had a deputy sheriff come and speak at one of my cycling clubs and he was just flat out wrong on several aspects of NYS traffic code as they pertain to cyclists. Their excuse is they don't have to work as many situations involving cyclists, but that excuse doesn't work for a lawyer who may typically try a narrow range of cases and is called to work on a new situation involving their area of practice.
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I think so! I am volunteering on a bike committee. We have lots of issues in my city, and region: gentrification, traffic, radio changes in neighborhood demographics, and an influx of hipsters. I recently mentioned my committee membership to someone I met, as I was leaving meeting. She complained about "cyclists" advocating for reduced parking, road space and told me to forget about bike infrastructure because we have potholes. The city is trying to time bike infrastructure with road paving. She was pretty hostile and mentioned those "law breaking cyclists."

I explained nicely I bike instead of driving when appropriate, freeing up parking. And also that neighborhoods are different. There are many roads that are overbuilt for the amount of traffic we have. There are some 6 lane roads that are so quiet most of the time, you could swerve in the lanes with your eyes close, and your odds of hitting someone are less than a few percentage points. These are some of my favorite roads to ride. There are enough traffic lights and hazards to keep the cars fairly slow. And taking the lane is no issue as the driver has 2 or more empty lanes to pass me with, no hassle required.

It will be tricky as, this article nicely sums up. Do Bike Lanes Promote Gentrification?*|*Jay Walljasper

As long as the dominant voices for biking are hipsters and middle aged men in lycra, the hatred will be widespread.
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Originally Posted by jade408
...as long as the dominant voices for biking are hipsters and middle aged men in lycra, the [strike]hatred[/strike] apathy will be widespread.
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I find that in general most officers have little regard for the impediment to the flow of vehicular traffic as to where they park or block for an accident, etc. I cannot see how this disregard wouldn't apply to cyclists.

As to the comments, I second the statement already made. Don't read the comments. You may never ride again....
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Long time Boston commuter and driver here. Hate seems pretty strong. More like dislike and despise. The driver here are rude, distracted and filled with a sense of self important, crazy in a hurry attitude. I try to keep my wits about me and pedal on. Bright clothing and blinky lights 24/7 seem to help. For as many times I have been cut off, red light run and honked at or stuff thrown at me, an equal amount of drivers have stopped, been polite and waved me through.
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Originally Posted by genec

According to Massbike that was largely the worst part of it... parking in a manner that forced cyclists into oncoming traffic... shows a total lack of care or understanding on the part of the "serve and protect" officer.
In reading some later articles, the state highway patrol did some serious damage control later on after the video went on the air.
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Originally Posted by Leebo
Long time Boston commuter and driver here. Hate seems pretty strong. More like dislike and despise. The driver here are rude, distracted and filled with a sense of self important, crazy in a hurry attitude.
Sounds like one of the posters in the comment field of the video, with her mindset that all cyclists just need to do is "suck it up" more and quit their complaining.
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Originally Posted by Leebo
Long time Boston commuter and driver here. Hate seems pretty strong. More like dislike and despise. The driver here are rude, distracted and filled with a sense of self important, crazy in a hurry attitude. I try to keep my wits about me and pedal on. Bright clothing and blinky lights 24/7 seem to help. For as many times I have been cut off, red light run and honked at or stuff thrown at me, an equal amount of drivers have stopped, been polite and waved me through.

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In reading some later articles, the state highway patrol did some serious damage control later on after the video went on the air.
I recently posted to this thread,

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
It just so happened that last night as I was corresponding with a cyclist who had moved here to Boston, [local radio talk show host Howie Carr] was particularly peeved, not just at cyclists in general, as is his usual stance, but also that the State Trooper was assigned to take some kind of remedial "sensitivity” training….

Personally, I did not think the commenters to the video nor the callers to the talk show were particularly hateful...

Nonetheless “hatred” is way too strong a word; IMO here in Boston, more like “exasperation.” I think the whole flap was a tempest in a teapot.

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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
....... the whole flap was a tempest in a teapot.
Probably not, just only shows the type of attitudes that quite a few in the general public have for cyclists. I just love the advent of compact video cameras, since they are bringing much to light of what a good number of cyclists have been contending with over the years.
I'm amazed at one commenter insinuating that the cyclist deliberately "baited" the state trooper into making the comments that he made to the cyclist.

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