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Old 05-06-15, 08:34 PM
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Mandatory helmet for 16 and under introduced in Ohio

Just as an FYI for anyone in Ohio. This would not affect adults (other than the up to $100 fine).

Bill would require Ohio kids to wear bike helmets | The Columbus Dispatch
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Old 05-07-15, 08:41 AM
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Show up at the state-level committee hearing and demand that passengers in cars 16 and under be mandated to wear helmets, too. More die from and suffer head injury in cars than on bikes. Go for the low-hanging fruit first then work up to bike helmet laws...
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Dumb idea. We have that law in Ontario and the fact remains that most adults wear helmets but relatively few young people do. Even if their parents get them to leave the house with a helmet on it's hanging from the handlebars as soon as they get around the corner. It seems to be a pointless, ineffective and impossible-to-enforce law.
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
Dumb idea. We have that law in Ontario and the fact remains that most adults wear helmets but relatively few young people do. Even if their parents get them to leave the house with a helmet on it's hanging from the handlebars as soon as they get around the corner. It seems to be a pointless, ineffective and impossible-to-enforce law.
Hardly a dumb idea. If it gets 20% of kids to wear helmets, it's still better than saying "oh well, it's hard to enforce, so let's just not do it at all".
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
Dumb idea. We have that law in Ontario and the fact remains that most adults wear helmets but relatively few young people do. Even if their parents get them to leave the house with a helmet on it's hanging from the handlebars as soon as they get around the corner. It seems to be a pointless, ineffective and impossible-to-enforce law.
I agree. My commuting route used to take me down a well-used bike route that passed an elementary, middle, and high school. All the kids I saw still riding to/from school had helmets, but 95% of them were strapped to the handlebars where they only created additional danger if they slipped and interfered with the front wheel.

The main effect that was observed here when the helmet law was introduced for children was that the number of kids riding to school was dramatically reduced and we now have longer queues of cars at our schools from parents dropping off their kids. And I found these drop-off zones to be the most hazardous part of my commute - cars making unexpected U-turns and other sudden maneuvers as the parents rush to get to work on time after leaving the kids. We should be encouraging more children to bicycle as a healthy form of exercise - not creating additional obstacles.
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Originally Posted by prathmann View Post
I agree. My commuting route used to take me down a well-used bike route that passed an elementary, middle, and high school. All the kids I saw still riding to/from school had helmets, but 95% of them were strapped to the handlebars where they only created additional danger if they slipped and interfered with the front wheel.

The main effect that was observed here when the helmet law was introduced for children was that the number of kids riding to school was dramatically reduced and we now have longer queues of cars at our schools from parents dropping off their kids. And I found these drop-off zones to be the most hazardous part of my commute - cars making unexpected U-turns and other sudden maneuvers as the parents rush to get to work on time after leaving the kids. We should be encouraging more children to bicycle as a healthy form of exercise - not creating additional obstacles.
Exactly. I'd be in favour of a public education campaign but not this law. enough opportunities for unnecessary conflict already.
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How would they enforce such a law. "Hey son, where are your legal guardians so we can bill them for you taking your bike from your house without a helmet? At work? Okay, let's write up this ticket for endangerment to public safety by negligence to wear a helmet and throw in abandonment too."
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Originally Posted by Panza View Post
How would they enforce such a law. "Hey son, where are your legal guardians so we can bill them for you taking your bike from your house without a helmet? At work? Okay, let's write up this ticket for endangerment to public safety by negligence to wear a helmet and throw in abandonment too."
I really hope and believe you're being sarcastic!

That's pretty much what would have to happen. I see that our friend Keyven lives in Singapore where there is probably a greater inclination and social pressure to obey each and every law and where it's small enough to facilitate enforcement. Not the case here.
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Way to go if you want cycling to become unpopular among kids! There are so many other much more important precautions that can be taken to protect cyclists. The bulky helmet is probably the worst solution of all. It makes very little difference to the safety and at a great cost. Even if it makes all the difference and saves that 1 in 10.000 who would otherwise be killed in that rare head-collision, it is still not worth making cycling unpopular to so many children. The whole beauty of cycling is its simplicity and this is completely destroyed mandatory helmets and other regulations. The best place to cycle in the world is Holland and Denmark, and the far majority do not wear helmets here.
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Originally Posted by Panza View Post
How would they enforce such a law.
Easy enough.

Paint a school bus black and white.

Cruise around the neighborhoods on a sunny day, and fill it up.

Drop the kids off at school detention. Call the parents up and have them bring $100 to bail their kids and bicycles out. Send the kids home with a $5 helmet out of the $100 fine.

Any kids that aren't claimed after 24 hours, give them a free helmet and send them home. Perhaps have child protective services check up on them later.

As far as the kids helmet laws, I have to agree that the kids cruising around the neighborhood on their BMX bikes are at quite low risk, or perhaps those that are riding in their front yard, or in a park separated from traffic. What about climbing trees, should kids be required to wear a helmet to climb a tree?

However, the families that are strict about helmets do teach good habits to their kids, and it becomes natural to grab the helmet when hopping on the bike. As they grow older, hopefully these habits will remain.
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They'd probably enforce it the same way it's enforced here: not at all.

What I see is family groups all wearing helmets when they're together, and when by themselves adults and kids alike, not. The same people, for all I know.
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Old 05-07-15, 05:28 PM
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Another everlasting gobstopper thread.

The bill, which the not anti-helmet crowd might take a moment to bother to read, or not.

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Originally Posted by keyven View Post
Hardly a dumb idea. If it gets 20% of kids to wear helmets, it's still better than saying "oh well, it's hard to enforce, so let's just not do it at all".
I agree. What is dumb in my state is, just like the law regarding cycling on the sidewalk, which is ambiguous. The same for the helmet laws.

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It has been a while since I looked at the research, but helmets for kids can make sense. As I recall, even expensive helmets only protect the user from the equivalent of a fall from 3 feet onto the back of the head as there is only a small amount of shock absorbing material and other critical areas are unprotected. The mechanism of injury for kids is most commonly that they get knocked off their bike by a car backing up or some such thing, therefore benefit from this "fall protection". I believe studies confirmed this.

Adults have a different mechanism of injury and a different injury pattern. They tend to be subjected to high velocity impacts and the helmets on the market leave the susceptible areas exposed. Additionally, the subjects head is exposed to high acceleration forces that are not taken up by the inadequate amount of shock absorbing material. For a Snell certified helmet, it is guaranteed by testing that acceleration forces are less than 300G's which is considered survivable. There is a new design which I have seen which claims accelerations of less than 100G's, but I don't think it is on market yet.

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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Easy enough.

Paint a school bus black and white.

Cruise around the neighborhoods on a sunny day, and fill it up.

Drop the kids off at school detention. Call the parents up and have them bring $100 to bail their kids and bicycles out. Send the kids home with a $5 helmet out of the $100 fine.

Any kids that aren't claimed after 24 hours, give them a free helmet and send them home. Perhaps have child protective services check up on them later.

As far as the kids helmet laws, I have to agree that the kids cruising around the neighborhood on their BMX bikes are at quite low risk, or perhaps those that are riding in their front yard, or in a park separated from traffic. What about climbing trees, should kids be required to wear a helmet to climb a tree?

However, the families that are strict about helmets do teach good habits to their kids, and it becomes natural to grab the helmet when hopping on the bike. As they grow older, hopefully these habits will remain.
Literally burst into laughter when I read this.

Thank you
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Originally Posted by prathmann View Post
I agree. My commuting route used to take me down a well-used bike route that passed an elementary, middle, and high school. All the kids I saw still riding to/from school had helmets, but 95% of them were strapped to the handlebars where they only created additional danger if they slipped and interfered with the front wheel.

The main effect that was observed here when the helmet law was introduced for children was that the number of kids riding to school was dramatically reduced and we now have longer queues of cars at our schools from parents dropping off their kids. And I found these drop-off zones to be the most hazardous part of my commute - cars making unexpected U-turns and other sudden maneuvers as the parents rush to get to work on time after leaving the kids. We should be encouraging more children to bicycle as a healthy form of exercise - not creating additional obstacles.
You've got that right. My nephew got tired of getting tickets for not wearing a bike helmet in high school (and my sister-in-law get tired of going to court). He walked the last few months until he was old enough to get a driving license, then he got a car and he hasn't ridden a bike since. For context, his sister and mother (divorced) don't drive intra-city and rarely drive inter-city, so it's not like being car-bound was normal for him. But for the helmet law for minors in CA, he would probably be like all his cousins and be car-free today.

I think these helmet laws for people under sixteen are put in place largely to discourage people from riding and to encourage driving. If they were actually about safety, then we would go for the low-hanging fruit first and require minors in cars to wear helmets and also enforce traffic laws.
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
I really hope and believe you're being sarcastic!

That's pretty much what would have to happen. I see that our friend Keyven lives in Singapore where there is probably a greater inclination and social pressure to obey each and every law and where it's small enough to facilitate enforcement. Not the case here.
Indeed there is but ironically very few people actually wear a helmet.

I don't if I can help it. Personally I prefer not to, but I understand the establishment of a law requiring helmet wearing.

I think making children wear helmets till they're old enough to decide to take responsibility for their own well-being is a good idea. Not sure where the anti-helmet brigade is going with this.
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I'm still waiting for some shred of evidence that they actually do anything to reduce traumatic brain injuries in real life. In every case they've been mandated or where use has dramatically increased there has been no measurable change in the rate of TBI as a percent of all bicycle injuries. It remains at about 33% which is also the rate in The Netherlands where nobody wears foam on their heads.
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Originally Posted by keyven View Post
Not sure where the anti-helmet brigade is going with this.
I'm also in favour of helmets and wear one. Nonetheless helmet laws are a bad idea. I'm against drunkenness but not in favour of prohibition and think the 'war on drugs' was a bad idea even if drug use is generally harmful.
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Not sure where the anti-helmet brigade is...
Nobody else knows where they are either except for Rydabent!
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
The bill, which the not anti-helmet crowd might take a moment to bother to read, or not.
I read it, five minutes I won't get back. Do you have a point? It's exactly as we are discussing.
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I read it, five minutes I won't get back. Do you have a point? It's exactly as we are discussing.
Read it again. Summarize your understanding.

And this is still an everlasting gobstopper thread.

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Read it again. Summarize your understanding.

And this is still an everlasting gobstopper thread.
It is but it's a slow day. What are we missing?
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Originally Posted by asmac View Post
It is but it's a slow day. What are we missing?
The only thing discussed in this thread is Sec. 4511.531 (A)(1) and (D)(1)(b). That ought to give you a hint. Or not.

And of course everlasting gobstoppers.


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I live in a bit of a strange town, where cycling is very popular among adults and basically ubiquitous in the youth population. So most parents are aware of the law (in Ontario helmets are mandatory for everyone on public roads under the age of 18), and young kids (pre-teens and younger) are almost all wearing helmets. Teenagers are probably at 50%.
There is no evidence that I have seen that mandatory helmet use by youths results in a reduction of youth cycling, although the same societal attitudes that make helmet laws seem like a good idea are probably a force for discouragement of cycling by young people... it's very hard to ride while wrapped in bubble wrap, and much less fun when your helicopter parents are hovering overhead.

The attitudes about helmets above, about being bulky and uncomfortable and a nuisance, certainly sound like the opinions of adults who have made up their minds, not comments from kids. I have personally never heard a kid complain about helmets. In fact, riding a dirt-jump style bike and wearing a BMX helmet are considered 'cool'.
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