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Old 08-28-15, 10:39 AM
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Former Navy Seal killed during AM-Rush

This happened in a neighborhood I lived in for two years during my late teens(1984-1986).

Former Navy Seal killed on bicycle on Massachusetts Avenue in Bethesda - The Washington Post

A 64yr.-old man, and former Navy Seal, was killed during AM-Rush.

Where he was killed, is a high traffic area. Not just during AM n' PM rush hour. People still drive like maniacs in that area of the county.

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This guy was an experienced rider hit by a 22 year old. He leaves behind a wife, 5 daughters & 3 grand children. I haven't been able to see any kind of police report but from looking at the car (destroyed windshield) it looks like he was hit from behind. This is the 3 or 4th bike fatality where experienced cyclists were
killed through no fault of there own. Just goes to show that sometimes it doesn't matter of cautious and careful we are. So sorry for his family.
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Sad to hear another death. The worse part of the "accident" is they probably won't even bother to do an investigation to see if the kid was texting or on the phone which is the real cause of the accident. Hopefully the family does their own investigation and files a civil suite against the kid.

Our military deserve better.
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I was hit a couple of times cycle commuting to Bethesda when I was on active duty in 1978. The worst - just a bruised knee - occurred in downtown DC when a diplomat opened his limo door into me, even after looking directly at me. I fussed at him for looking directly at me and opening the door anyway. He fussed at me for scratching his limo. I scrammed pronto, figuring an enlisted man against a huffy diplomat wouldn't go well, and there was no serious damage.

The second time was the most common, for me: full stop at a four-way stop sign intersection to let another driver pass, then hit from behind at slow speed by another driver who acknowledged she saw me but decided I was literally immaterial. Apparently cyclists aren't invisible. We're just ghosts - visible but with no material form. She was very apologetic and appeared shocked to discover we actually have corporeal form and can be injured. I reckon after that she began carrying garlic and crucifixes during commutes.
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Old 08-31-15, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lock55 View Post
This guy was an experienced rider hit by a 22 year old. He leaves behind a wife, 5 daughters & 3 grand children. I haven't been able to see any kind of police report but from looking at the car (destroyed windshield) it looks like he was hit from behind. This is the 3 or 4th bike fatality where experienced cyclists were
killed through no fault of there own. Just goes to show that sometimes it doesn't matter of cautious and careful we are. So sorry for his family.
Fatal Bicycle Collision in Bethesda Montgomery County, MD Police ? Press Releases

That is the press release, but not the official police report. Knowing the Montgomery County Police Department's behavior towards' cyclists'. I wouldn't be surprised, once the official report becomes available. That they say it is the cyclist's fault.
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Sad to hear another death. The worse part of the "accident" is they probably won't even bother to do an investigation to see if the kid was texting or on the phone which is the real cause of the accident. Hopefully the family does their own investigation and files a civil suite against the kid.

Our military deserve better.
The Accident Reconstruction Unit has been investigating what happened. But, I doubt anything will happen to the driver.
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I was hit a couple of times cycle commuting to Bethesda when I was on active duty in 1978. The worst - just a bruised knee - occurred in downtown DC when a diplomat opened his limo door into me, even after looking directly at me. I fussed at him for looking directly at me and opening the door anyway. He fussed at me for scratching his limo. I scrammed pronto, figuring an enlisted man against a huffy diplomat wouldn't go well, and there was no serious damage.

The second time was the most common, for me: full stop at a four-way stop sign intersection to let another driver pass, then hit from behind at slow speed by another driver who acknowledged she saw me but decided I was literally immaterial. Apparently cyclists aren't invisible. We're just ghosts - visible but with no material form. She was very apologetic and appeared shocked to discover we actually have corporeal form and can be injured. I reckon after that she began carrying garlic and crucifixes during commutes.
We must be riding 'ghost bikes'.

Was your commute along OGR or on the bike paths?
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Absent-minded news anchor: "...tonight a former Navy SEAL is dead after his car crashed into a bike".
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Might be a good opportunity to politicize the issue and declare Wash, DC, and surroundings a bike friendly zone, with PSAs on TV and movie theaters. It'd set a good precedent and slowly chip away at the resistance and outright hostility toward cyclists. After reading Fakebook comments on our local newspaper's article about making Texas more bike friendly, it appears many motorists still consider it open season on cyclists. One truck driver actually got the most Fakebook likes for saying "Either bicycles ride the speed limit, get out of my way or get run over." Stay classy, Texas, stay classy.

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Was your commute along OGR or on the bike paths?
I don't remember the exact location of our apartment. Some sullen cinder block multi-story horror east of Silver Spring. My commute took me through part of Rock Creek Park, then Jones Mill or Jones Bridge, to the National Naval Medical Center. I was a Corpsman in C School there during '78.

Not to hijack the intent of this thread, but thinking of Rock Creek Park recalled another incident. My commutes were so early and late that I missed rush hour and rarely saw more than a couple of vehicles crossing Rock Creek Park. I knew there was a jogging/bike path but the one time I tried it the dang thing was so narrow and crowded with trees that I nearly ran over poor joggers. After that I used the paved road.

One early morning some curmudgeon kept honking at me and waving furiously. I just ignored him. Finally he swerved in front of me to block the road, hobbled out and waved his fists hollering "Git on the bike path ya punk. You whippersnappers etc. etc. etc." I tried to explain to the poor feller that the path was too narrow and bikes posed a danger to joggers, while I was riding at times when there was almost zero traffic. Except for you, sir, and if you don't mind I'm just gonna ignore your rants and be on my way, thank you kindly.

At least that's how I remember it. I'm pretty sure I didn't cuss. I have a couple of manners, and he used at least one of 'em.
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Originally Posted by vol View Post
Absent-minded news anchor: "...tonight a former Navy SEAL is dead after his car crashed into a bike".
It deserves more than a , more like a

It is bad enough, that some motorists want cyclists' out of their way. I am not surprised by the press, and police screwing up the facts.
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Might be a good opportunity to politicize the issue and declare Wash, DC, and surroundings a bike friendly zone, with PSAs on TV and movie theaters. It'd set a good precedent and slowly chip away at the resistance and outright hostility toward cyclists. After reading Fakebook comments on our local newspaper's article about making Texas more bike friendly, it appears many motorists still consider it open season on cyclists. One truck driver actually got the most Fakebook likes for saying "Either bicycles ride the speed limit, get out of my way or get run over." Stay classy, Texas, stay classy.

I don't remember the exact location of our apartment. Some sullen cinder block multi-story horror east of Silver Spring. My commute took me through part of Rock Creek Park, then Jones Mill or Jones Bridge, to the National Naval Medical Center. I was a Corpsman in C School there during '78.

Not to hijack the intent of this thread, but thinking of Rock Creek Park recalled another incident. My commutes were so early and late that I missed rush hour and rarely saw more than a couple of vehicles crossing Rock Creek Park. I knew there was a jogging/bike path but the one time I tried it the dang thing was so narrow and crowded with trees that I nearly ran over poor joggers. After that I used the paved road.

One early morning some curmudgeon kept honking at me and waving furiously. I just ignored him. Finally he swerved in front of me to block the road, hobbled out and waved his fists hollering "Git on the bike path ya punk. You whippersnappers etc. etc. etc." I tried to explain to the poor feller that the path was too narrow and bikes posed a danger to joggers, while I was riding at times when there was almost zero traffic. Except for you, sir, and if you don't mind I'm just gonna ignore your rants and be on my way, thank you kindly.

At least that's how I remember it. I'm pretty sure I didn't cuss. I have a couple of manners, and he used at least one of 'em.
Rock Creek Park is a madhouse of congestive traffic. As are all the other roads in the region. The D.C.-Metro region has the worst congestion in the nation.

By east of Silver Spring, are you referring to Hillandale? Out by the Naval Surface Warfare Center?
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Rock Creek Park is a madhouse of congestive traffic. As are all the other roads in the region. The D.C.-Metro region has the worst congestion in the nation.
Yeah, I've heard from friends who live around DC that the area is much more congested now. In 1978 there was very little traffic through the part of the park I cycled through, at least during the very early morning and late evening.

By east of Silver Spring, are you referring to Hillandale? Out by the Naval Surface Warfare Center?
I checked Google maps hoping to jog my memory, backtracking my most likely bike route, but the best I can recall is it was east of Silver Spring but not as far as the university or mall. It wasn't a very long commute, less than five miles between the apartment building and NNMC Bethesda. I'd imagine that entire area has changed a lot since then.
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Yeah, I've heard from friends who live around DC that the area is much more congested now. In 1978 there was very little traffic through the part of the park I cycled through, at least during the very early morning and late evening.


I checked Google maps hoping to jog my memory, backtracking my most likely bike route, but the best I can recall is it was east of Silver Spring but not as far as the university or mall. It wasn't a very long commute, less than five miles between the apartment building and NNMC Bethesda. I'd imagine that entire area has changed a lot since then.
On the weekends(April-October, I think), The full length of Beach Drive is closed to motorized traffic, and only cycling traffic is permitted. Outside the park, road expansion has been a big problem. Even on the Beltway.
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On the weekends(April-October, I think), The full length of Beach Drive is closed to motorized traffic, and only cycling traffic is permitted. Outside the park, road expansion has been a big problem. Even on the Beltway.
Yes, some portions of Beach Drive are closed from 7am on Sat unitil 7PM on Sunday. Lots of bikers, roller bladers and walkers use it. The only problem now is
that the road is in terrible condition, full of pot holes and patches and everything else you can imagine. I'm not sure if the Park Service or the District government is responsible for maintaince/repair but I don't hold out any hope for anything getting fixed anytime soon. It makes for a pretty rough ride.
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Originally Posted by Lock55 View Post
Yes, some portions of Beach Drive are closed from 7am on Sat unitil 7PM on Sunday. Lots of bikers, roller bladers and walkers use it. The only problem now is
that the road is in terrible condition, full of pot holes and patches and everything else you can imagine. I'm not sure if the Park Service or the District government is responsible for maintaince/repair but I don't hold out any hope for anything getting fixed anytime soon. It makes for a pretty rough ride.
Since part of it goes into Montgomery County, I think it is the U.S. Park Service.
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