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Old 09-30-15, 11:20 AM
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Do you recommend riding in a group to gain confidence?

I really like the concept of riding very long, scenic routes. I will admit, that I am very apprehensive. I did do some roads yesterday, by the trail I go to. I made it out okay, but really didn't like all that traffic. Didn't really see much of a point in riding next to all those cars, just the sound of them next to me wasn't pleasant. But at the same time, I feel that if I did different routes, it could be a better experience.

I will admit I've been doing mostly paved trail and dirt trail riding. It's what's comfortable. I'm not gonna lie, the idea of riding on a highway is not comfortable. Someone recommended I try riding in a group. Is it safer, because of strength in numbers? For some reason I think that there will be an opposition and people will say it's even more dangerous. I am aware that strength in numbers could cause a collision too. But the fact is that I like the idea of riding on the roads (and I have been doing small tests out there), but I'm not gonna lie, it isn't something I can do comfortably.

So I have been really considering trying a group. But for some reason, like anything in life, I feel there will be cons.
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In my experience, there's far more danger from squirrelly newbs than from cars on a group ride. So make sure you're not the squirrelly newb: hold your line, protect your front wheel, don't cause gaps, easy on the brakes.
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Depends on the group, I've seen some that were the primary hazard on the road.
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+1, I long ago gave up group riding except for a small number of like minded friends. Group dynamics tend to increase rather than reduce road dangers, so I don't think you'll be any happier.

The only way to get comfortable riding is traffic is to do so. Like with many things, you don't want to jump into the deep end of the pool. Find quieter streets and roads, and get used to traffic there, then broaden your horizons as you get more used to it. Eventually you'll work your way up to sharing narrow 2-lane roads with logging trucks (IMO- the true test of your nerves) and be able to ride just about anywhere.
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Originally Posted by DreamRider85 View Post
I really like the concept of riding very long, scenic routes. I will admit, that I am very apprehensive. I did do some roads yesterday, by the trail I go to. I made it out okay, but really didn't like all that traffic. Didn't really see much of a point in riding next to all those cars, just the sound of them next to me wasn't pleasant. But at the same time, I feel that if I did different routes, it could be a better experience.

I will admit I've been doing mostly paved trail and dirt trail riding. It's what's comfortable. I'm not gonna lie, the idea of riding on a highway is not comfortable. Someone recommended I try riding in a group. Is it safer, because of strength in numbers? For some reason I think that there will be an opposition and people will say it's even more dangerous. I am aware that strength in numbers could cause a collision too. But the fact is that I like the idea of riding on the roads (and I have been doing small tests out there), but I'm not gonna lie, it isn't something I can do comfortably.

So I have been really considering trying a group. But for some reason, like anything in life, I feel there will be cons.
Here is a link to videos' of cyclists': https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...rough+cyclists

Safety in groups is not a guarantee.

It can even happen to a competitive cyclist. In this video from the 2011 Tour de France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJbHd9ygDag

Juan Antonio Fletcher, and Johnny Hoogerland, were next to each other. When a Euro Media vehicle sideswiped Juan Antonio Fletcher. Fletcher as a result, sideswiped Hoogerland. Knocking him into a barb wire fence on the side of the road.

I gain confidence by 'taking the lane'. I lose confidence by 'hugging the shoulder'.

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Yeah, I have to agree that group riding can introduce an entirely new set of concerns and risks.
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I strongly recommend group riding for novices as long as it's the right group. I started a bike club a few years ago. We put a huge emphasis on safety. Almost all who ride with us believe they are safer riding with the group than riding on their own.

It's true that groups can introduce additional safety concerns but these can be easily overcome. In our club, we ensure that no one follows the rider ahead of them too closely. We encourage the use of hand signals and voice signals for stopping and turning. We point out cars, potholes and other risks on the roads. We're also helpful when there are medical emergencies or mechanical problems.

The decision to ride solo or with a group doesn't have to be all or nothing. Both offer benefits, but for novices, I think the right group is the best place to start.

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I prefer solo, or riding with one or two buddies. Any more and they always seem to end up riding in manners I don't want to be part of. Since you're nervous on your own and seek comfort in numbers, this may not matter to you. Give it a try!
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Not sure what to do then. Someone even said that cycling on a busy street and dying should be considered suicide. I don't know if I'm responsible by putting my life at risk. They say it's not a matter of if, but when. And if you do something a number of times, your chances increase. That's the problem I'm having.
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Originally Posted by DreamRider85 View Post
That's the problem I'm having.
It's the Daily "I'm Scared of This/That!" thread.
Do you sleep with the light on and have mommy check under the bed for Monsters to "gain confidence"?
If so it's not working.

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
It's the Daily "I'm Scared of This/That!" thread.
Do you sleep with the light on and have mommy check under the bed for Monsters?

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Come on, don't be condescending. Cycling is very fun, but it takes a lot of bravery to go in high traffic.
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Originally Posted by welshTerrier2 View Post
I strongly recommend group riding for novices as long as it's the right group. I started a bike club a few years ago. We put a huge emphasis on safety. Almost all who ride with us believe they are safer riding with the group than riding on their own.

It's true that groups can introduce additional safety concerns but these can be easily overcome. In our club, we ensure that no one follows the rider ahead of them too closely. We encourage the use of hand signals and voice signals for stopping and turning. We point out cars, potholes and other risks on the roads. We're also helpful when there are medical emergencies or mechanical problems.

The decision to ride solo or with a group doesn't have to be all or nothing. Both offer benefits, but for novices, I think the right group is the best place to start.
So this is more or less the answer I wanted to hear. But others seem to look at the bad side, not the bright side. How do I KNOW which group is right if I've never done a group? And with strength in numbers, do you think that cars see you better?
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
It's the Daily "I'm Scared of This/That!" thread.
Do you sleep with the light on and have mommy check under the bed for Monsters to "gain confidence"?
If so it's not working.

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please don't take sides here
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Originally Posted by DreamRider85 View Post
please don't take sides here

Your Trolling needs some variety and a bit of ludicrous humor instead of insipid pathos IMHO.

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So this is more or less the answer I wanted to hear. But others seem to look at the bad side, not the bright side. How do I KNOW which group is right if I've never done a group? And with strength in numbers, do you think that cars see you better?
There are all kinds of groups with all kinds of "personalities". My group rides for the social aspects of riding. We believe that working with novice riders and teaching them how to ride safely creates more bike riders. Our group is a "no drop" group which means that no one is ever left behind by themselves. Our average speeds are much slower than many of our better riders can maintain on their own. We average somewhere around 11 mph and most of our routes are about 25 miles long.

Our routes are very carefully chosen. We don't ride on busy streets unless we're using them briefly to connect from one low traffic area to another. We emphasize scenery and appreciate the quiet of lightly traveled roads. We're also big on cookies and ice cream.

We have lots of very strong riders who regularly ride with us. When they come on our club rides, they come for something that riding by themselves doesn't offer.

To find the right group for you, I would start with your local bike shops and tell them what you're looking for. Maybe if the right club doesn't exist yet, you could start your own like I did. There are plenty of riders just like you who would appreciate having someone make the effort.

Do cars see you better in a group? I don't think I can say they do. I can tell you, however, that with almost 50,000 miles of club riding our members have logged in the last three years, and some of them were very inexperienced when they started, we have had zero accidents between cars and bikes.

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One thing to think about before choosing which group to ride with is the large amount of renegade road bicycle groups that only exist to get new riders out of the safety of town limits and then drug them so that they can perform roadside surgery to harvest their organs for overseas sales.
It is not a joke and happening all over the place.
Normally I would not post something as alarming and horrific as this but as you seem to really be concerned about your safety on a bicycle I would not feel good about myself if I didn't warn you and something did happen to you.
It's a very scary world out there.
It seems like these days the only way to take care of yourself and stay safe is to get advice from strangers on the internet.
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Originally Posted by DreamRider85 View Post
....., but it takes a lot of bravery to go in high traffic.
Actually, not

I suspect that Bandera was posting in good faith, and intended a bit of irony. The truth is that cycling in traffic is SAFE, and no special bravery is needed. But newbies are being misled by fear mongers and constant repetition of "horror stories", which make more nervous than they should be.

I suggest working up to riding in traffic not because it's necessary, but because letting people see for themselves is easier than asking them to trust my reassurance.

The simple reality is that the majority of drivers are and always have been able to maneuver around bicycles quite well, and while close calls can be nerve wracking, they are still close calls and nothing more. The key to safe riding in traffic isn't to fret about the cars, but focus on one's own skills, starting with the ability to hold a straight line and control ones bicycle, and progressing to the ability to read and predict the actions of other road users.
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Another thought, I did a (metric)century ten days ago in Shepherdstown(WV). Part of the route was closed off by the county police. While part of the route was not. Part of the route was not blocked by the county police. On the two-lane portions of the ride. It was not uncommon to be next to another rider going the same direction on the same side of the double-yellow line. But most weren't in packs.
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I don't know where you're riding, but if you get a bit farther out of town you can often find long scenic routes without that much traffic. If you can find some good lower traffic routes, your fear of cars should dissipate rapidly. Biking on most roads, even with traffic, isn't really dangerous or frightening. If you don't have them, I would advise lights. In my experience, cars tend to give you a bit more room if you're riding with good flashing rear lights.
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Originally Posted by DreamRider85 View Post
And with strength in numbers, do you think that cars see you better?
No. No matter how many cyclists are in your group, not a single car will see any of you... On second thought, I take that back. The Google driverless car will see you.
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Actually, not

I suspect that Bandera was posting in good faith, and intended a bit of irony. The truth is that cycling in traffic is SAFE, and no special bravery is needed. But newbies are being misled by fear mongers and constant repetition of "horror stories", which make more nervous than they should be.

I suggest working up to riding in traffic not because it's necessary, but because letting people see for themselves is easier than asking them to trust my reassurance.

The simple reality is that the majority of drivers are and always have been able to maneuver around bicycles quite well, and while close calls can be nerve wracking, they are still close calls and nothing more. The key to safe riding in traffic isn't to fret about the cars, but focus on one's own skills, starting with the ability to hold a straight line and control ones bicycle, and progressing to the ability to read and predict the actions of other road users.
This is about all there is to say.

Of course, I'll add that you should work on your bike handling and ability to see what's happening around you every time you ride. Don't just sit there like a bag of potatoes.
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One thing to think about before choosing which group to ride with is the large amount of renegade road bicycle groups that only exist to get new riders out of the safety of town limits and then drug them so that they can perform roadside surgery to harvest their organs for overseas sales.
It is not a joke and happening all over the place.
Normally I would not post something as alarming and horrific as this but as you seem to really be concerned about your safety on a bicycle I would not feel good about myself if I didn't warn you and something did happen to you.
It's a very scary world out there.
It seems like these days the only way to take care of yourself and stay safe is to get advice from strangers on the internet.
Oh great, you spilled the beans. Now I'm going to have to form renegade running groups to meet my quota.
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Actually, not

I suspect that Bandera was posting in good faith, and intended a bit of irony. The truth is that cycling in traffic is SAFE, and no special bravery is needed. But newbies are being misled by fear mongers and constant repetition of "horror stories", which make more nervous than they should be.

I suggest working up to riding in traffic not because it's necessary, but because letting people see for themselves is easier than asking them to trust my reassurance.

The simple reality is that the majority of drivers are and always have been able to maneuver around bicycles quite well, and while close calls can be nerve wracking, they are still close calls and nothing more. The key to safe riding in traffic isn't to fret about the cars, but focus on one's own skills, starting with the ability to hold a straight line and control ones bicycle, and progressing to the ability to read and predict the actions of other road users.

I believe you. It's a major phobia I have. People think I'm trolling and the truth is I'm telling the truth. The thing is, I wanna ride in traffic. But then I second guess myself. At this point, that might be a good thing because I need more skills and experience. Can't run before you walk, especially in this sport.

I'm also looking for answers I wanna hear, admittedly.

In your opinion, what are the approximate lifetime odds of a cyclist dying if he rides a lot, often? (50 miles).

Most cycling deaths, are they the drivers fault or the cyclists fault?

Now as far as close calls, you really think they are nothing more? I mean close calls, are serious in my opinion. They could really mess with your mind, right? How could they be no big deal?

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In your opinion, what are the approximate lifetime odds of a cyclist dying if he rides a lot, often? (50 miles).
100% of Cyclists die.

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