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Old 10-29-15, 07:18 PM
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It was a "T" intersection. Red light stopped cars North and South as East bound expressway exited on the green. No cars were exiting at the time. But a line of them were stopped N & S. I was heading N. No reason for me to stop at this point.

IMO, the lady just wanted a reason to *****. She's lucky I didn't call her one.
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Old 10-29-15, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
So if it ok for a cyclist to roll through a red is it ok for a motorcyclist, or a car, a pickup....etc?

If you roll lights, then you should be ok with everyone rolling lights, they make as good of safety decisions as you do and every cyclist does.
I agree. I'd love to have back all the time I have spent staring at a red light when there was no cross traffic.
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Old 10-29-15, 07:43 PM
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I follow traffic law, it just makes life less complicated and a good habit. Bad habits can result in bad outcomes if one is tired, distracted or worse.

I don't really care what other drivers do if it doesn't cause a 'issue.' A issue can be an accident or can be another driver having to make any kind of adjustment as a result of the lawbreaker.

My only true annoyance is when cyclists or peds press the button to trigger a light or crosswalk then run the light anyway. If one is going to commit to following the law, then follow thru.
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Old 10-29-15, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by YogaKat View Post
I've been in too many automobile accidents where other people ran the light (usually talking on a phone.)

I obey the law regarding stop light intersections and try to keep aware of the idiots that run them in their automobiles when I'm cycling through the green.

I will say the ones that don't trigger are a pain, though.

I doubt a bike that is running a red is going to do to much damage to a car aside from the trauma of possibly putting a cyclist in the hospital or the grave.

I guess I'm just boring.
A bike running a red, won't do much damage to a car. But a car doesn't need to run a red to damage a bike.

He had a good list:
Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
  • I yield to pedestrians and emergency vehicles.
    • I proceed if safe to do so.
  • I yield at uncontrolled intersections, following simple established yielding rules.
    • I proceed if safe to do so.
  • I yield at yield signs.
    • I proceed if safe to do so.
  • I stop at stop signs.
    • I proceed after stopping if safe to do so.
  • I stop at red lights.
    • If turns on red are permitted, I turn after stopping if safe to do so.
    • Otherwise I proceed after the light turns green if safe to do so.

Any questions about how that works?

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Old 10-30-15, 03:25 AM
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A bike is traveling at a fraction of the speed cars travel. If all is clear, I'm going.
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Old 10-30-15, 05:34 AM
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I don't roll through red lights if there are any cars around, because I do not want to anger the drivers. I know the law requires me to stop at them. But.... if the sensor is not activated by the bike (to change the light) and there are no cars around, I will proceed through the red rather than wait endlessly and needlessly.

Same thing for stop signs. If there is traffic there with the right-of-way, I stop and give them the right-of-way.
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Old 10-30-15, 06:31 AM
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I think the best option here is to behave as if crazy to complement the nutty reaction from the old, woman driver.. Any piece of naked anatomy conveys to the driver that most cyclists are crazy and not worth even bothering with. Easy enough to peel down lycra/spandex to reveal one derriere cheek. Trust me - it works.
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Old 10-30-15, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
A bike is traveling at a fraction of the speed cars travel. If all is clear, I'm going.
Uh, I'll remember that as I keep up with and pass motor traffic.

Here's a SMIDSY. At a stop sign - but a "stop sign" to too many.
(Luckily, I WTFMISYMWTFAYTM!)
It ended well, no thanks to the other mate.


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Old 10-30-15, 01:46 PM
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Of course I wait for a green light. I'm not an idiot.
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Old 10-30-15, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
Do any of you actually stay stopped at a light if all is clear?
Ummm, duh?
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Old 10-30-15, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Uh, I'll remember that as I keep up with and pass motor traffic.

Here's a SMIDSY. At a stop sign - but a "stop sign" to too many.
(Luckily, I WTFMISYMWTFAYTM!)
It ended well, no thanks to the other mate.


-mr. bill
Seems like a good example of how different rural commuting is from urban. On my route, cars go 60 mph or faster. If I could pass them on my bicycle, I'd be rich like Lance used to be.
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Old 10-30-15, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by skye View Post
Of course I wait for a green light. I'm not an idiot.
In my view, waiting for a green light when all is clear is being an idiot.
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Old 10-31-15, 04:33 AM
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There was an article written in the NY Times about the ethos of running red lights? Can't find it. That said - if all is clear, safe etc. at a red light - why the heck wait till its green? The pleasure of being a runner, or a biker is the fact you get unlimited view and freedom to move in a direction of your choice. Sitting at a red light just because I want to be adhere to local ordinance in light of the fact there is no traffic is akin to pure idiocy.
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Old 10-31-15, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Essex View Post
There was an article written in the NY Times about the ethos of running red lights? Can't find it. That said - if all is clear, safe etc. at a red light - why the heck wait till its green? The pleasure of being a runner, or a biker is the fact you get unlimited view and freedom to move in a direction of your choice. Sitting at a red light just because I want to be adhere to local ordinance in light of the fact there is no traffic is akin to pure idiocy.
Yep.

In fact, if I had not been busy concentrating on staying safe while I made an illegal left turn when the lady commented, I would have told her to ride a bike to work in these conditions (it was pitch black, about 40 degrees with 20mph head winds) and then get back to me about rules of the road.
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Old 10-31-15, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
I don't roll red lights but there are a couple on my commute where the sensors will not detect my bike. My state law allows cyclists (pedal AND motor) to proceed when safe after a reasonable amount of time. For me this is as soon as the coast is clear since I know the light won't change.
In my area, there are some sensors that don't even detect my vehicle, so I have to go through. I've already made up my mind that if I'm ever pulled over for one particular light, I'll politely ask the officer to go and sit at that light to see how many cycles he's willing to sit through.

As far as rolling through lights on my bike, it has to be a place where there is no one around in sight. I'll sit at a light (that's operating properly) in my vehicle when no one's around, but not on my bike. Call me rebellious if you will.

I've even J-walked before.
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Old 10-31-15, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
In my view, waiting for a green light when all is clear is being an idiot.
Every person I know willingly breaks traffic laws on a regular basis. They pick and choose which ones they beak. Many can be broken without sacrificing safety. If I can do it safely, without causing inconvenience to others and without much risk of getting a ticket, I break the law. EVERY person I know behaves similarly.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
What business is it of hers? - You're right, since you didn't interfere with anything she was doing, it's none of her business.

Do any of you actually stay stopped at a light if all is clear? - usually. Our traffic tends to be high speed and low skilled, and all-clear is rare so it would be a bad habit to get into. But I'm not a fanatic about it.
On the other hand, I get so ticked off at motorist that think the bike lane is the perfect place to stop at a red light. They get the evil eye, maybe a word or two, and sometime, an abrupt pointing of the finger; not that it intimidates, or even gets them to think about what they did, but it gives me a better feeling, knowing that I "tried" to educate them on how cyclist feel when they invade our space.
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Originally Posted by GTIMKIV View Post
If it's all clear I will not sit and wait for the light. I'm just a straight up "Outlaw"! (I have also torn tags off of the mattress, used aerosol cans in a manner other than designed , gone out in the cold with wet hair and pet strange dogs even though I had no idea where they have been.)
I had to laugh at this one, maybe because I can relate so well to it. Good response!
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
I don't roll red lights but there are a couple on my commute where the sensors will not detect my bike. My state law allows cyclists (pedal AND motor) to proceed when safe after a reasonable amount of time. For me this is as soon as the coast is clear since I know the light won't change.
This is the correct way to ride. There are some lights I do roll I am no saint but these are generally off the beaten path and there are NO cars visible. But in a traffic area I wait my turn and abide by the law and will catch and chastise those that blow a light while I am waiting. It reflects poorly on all cyclist when some seem to have no respect for the rules of the road.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Every person I know willingly breaks traffic laws on a regular basis. They pick and choose which ones they beak. Many can be broken without sacrificing safety. If I can do it safely, without causing inconvenience to others and without much risk of getting a ticket, I break the law. EVERY person I know behaves similarly.
Same for me. The number of sanctimonious cycling puritans on this thread who report that they are as pure/"white" as the driven snow and religiously wait for green lights at clear intersections and chastise those who do not is amazing. Where does A&S find these Super Duper Cyclists?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Same for me. The number of sanctimonious cycling puritans on this thread who report that they are as pure/"white" as the driven snow and religiously wait for green lights at clear intersections and chastise those who do not is amazing. Where does A&S find these Super Duper Cyclists?
Good question... seems to me one of the pleasures of biking is that you tend to something of a rebel on the streets... and riding through clear intersections is just part of the reward of cycling.
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Good question... seems to me one of the pleasures of biking is that you tend to something of a rebel on the streets... and riding through clear intersections is just part of the reward of cycling.
We are on the same page on this observation.
Back in the day when I commuted down Broad Street in Philadelphia, I encountered approximately 60 traffic lights in a 6.5 mile distance; wait for them all to be green?No way!

Never saw a bicyclist in Philadelphia infected with such OCD-like "patience". Also never saw a police officer who made any issue of it.
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I don't adhere to the rules and laws of the road religiously if my actions don't create any form of disruption, but I don't do anything that I would consider "rebellious", "outlaw". I understand there needs to be a certain level of orderliness, and predictability on the road, I don't want to become part of the problem.........

...........and I know most will scoff at this these days, but its good manners too.

Everything I do isn't just about me.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Every person I know willingly breaks traffic laws on a regular basis. They pick and choose which ones they beak. Many can be broken without sacrificing safety. If I can do it safely, without causing inconvenience to others and without much risk of getting a ticket, I break the law. EVERY person I know behaves similarly.
If I blew the red light and then took the lane holding up a line of cars, I would understand the complaint. But, I used the red light as a shield to cross over two lanes, without fear of traffic behind me, and then hurried ahead to turn left before cars began moving again. IMO, it was the safest option...far better than waiting for the green light and doing all that with live traffic moving all around me.
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
I don't adhere to the rules and laws of the road religiously if my actions don't create any form of disruption, but I don't do anything that I would consider "rebellious", "outlaw". I understand there needs to be a certain level of orderliness, and predictability on the road, I don't want to become part of the problem.........

...........and I know most will scoff at this these days, but its good manners too.

Everything I do isn't just about me.
You are a cyclist... you are already a rebel.

Don't flaunt the law, but at the same time, if the road is clear, don't be a patsy.
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