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Old 11-06-15, 04:20 PM
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What to do when driver threatens to run you over...Next time

I am not sure what to do if anything.

On a quiet, narrow country lane in my town, a car raced around me and the driver slammed on her brakes. I braked as fast as I could but I collided with her rear bumper at slow speed (around 5 mph). No damage. She had stopped abruptly to pull into her estate or her employer's and did not pull in immediately because a car was coming the other way and given the narrowness of the lane, my other choice was the ditch. The speed limit on this road is 30 mph and I was doing about 27-28 (down wind and slightly down hill)

She yelled at me and told me to watch where I was going to which I replied, "you cut me off" and she said I should have stopped. I said I stopped as fast as I could and that "you should have stayed behind me" and she got all nasty saying, "Next time, I am going to run you over"

Do I just cool down and let it go?

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Old 11-06-15, 04:27 PM
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Cool down. Chances are she has forgotten all about it and is on to yelling at someone else by now.
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But write down all the details of her vehicle and the incident in a note on your refrigerator, so if she does nail you and they find your body in a ditch, they know who to chase....
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Originally Posted by RR3 View Post
I am not sure what to do if anything.

On a quiet, narrow country lane in my town, a car raced around me and the driver slammed on her brakes. I braked as fast as I could but I collided with her rear bumper at slow speed (around 5 mph). No damage. She had stopped abruptly to pull into her estate or her employer's and did not pull in immediately because a car was coming the other way and given the narrowness of the lane, my other choice was the ditch. The speed limit on this road is 30 mph and I was doing about 27-28 (down wind and slightly down hill)

She yelled at me and told me to watch where I was going to which I replied, "you cut me off" and she said I should have stopped. I said I stopped as fast as I could and that "you should have stayed behind me" and she got all nasty saying, "Next time, I am going to run you over"

Do I just cool down and let it go?
I have had an encounter like that before. It is one of the many reasons I got a camera.

Now, Presuming she does try it again. If there isn't somewhere, where you can dive off your bike. Like a sidewalk behind a solid object, she would have a head-on collision with whatever the solid object(telephone pole, power pole, traffic signal pole, etc.) may be. Goad them into on-coming traffic. So, If she is so dead-set on killing you. She would have to contend with the possibility of a head-on collision.

I know that sounds like advice straight out of the 'loony bin', or the 'funny farm'.

A drivers' 'mad' attitude will only go so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TDYlR8H5oA

That is a video of a insane pickup truck driver. Who sideswiped one police car. Then was killed instantly when they had a head-on collision with another police car.

The guy in the pickup may have been trying to do SBC(Suicide By Cop). But the point is. If the woman in question that threatened you, tries to actually do it. See if they will follow you into oncoming traffic. Don't go past the yellow lines and quickly get back into your lane.

Like I said before. When it comes to threats like that, their 'madness' goes only so far.

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Old 11-06-15, 06:29 PM
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Let it go, you were both in an emotional state, and it sounds like you're letting some prejudices color your judgement. Most likely she will give you a wide berth if you cross paths again.
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I know that sounds like advice straight out of the 'loony bin', or the 'funny farm'.
I would not expect anything else.
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Old 11-06-15, 08:18 PM
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It was all heat of the moment talk. No way will she intentionally hit you.
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
Let it go, you were both in an emotional state, and it sounds like you're letting some prejudices color your judgement. Most likely she will give you a wide berth if you cross paths again.
Agreed. Drivers' that have seen me before. Who were 'irritated' by my presence, the first time they saw me on the road. Are not two-timers and back off. So, I have no problems with them after that.
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Without video, it is just the cyclists word versus the motorists.
Wear a camera.
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Chris. What happened. to your post count and join date? You're still you, right?
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I would not expect anything else.
I wouldn't expect anything worthy from you.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
I would not expect anything else.
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I wouldn't expect anything worthy from you.
Feel the love!
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Originally Posted by RR3 View Post
........ She yelled at me and told me to watch where I was going
to which I replied, "you cut me off"
and she said I should have stopped.
I said I stopped as fast as I could and that "you should have stayed behind me"
and she got all nasty saying, "Next time, I am going to run you over"
The best thing you can do here is learn (since there really is NOTHING else you can do). You hit her car! What you say to someone when you hit them, their car, their kid, their pet, their bicycle is NOT "you cut me off". What you should have said is: I am sorry. Then if she said "you should have stopped" (and she was/is correct). Your reply should have been: I tried, I am sorry.

Two I am sorry's will normally defuse most of these types of situations. Most people are tickled pink with a simple apology.

Unless you're also a woman... I wouldn't recommend ever entering into a fight or attempting the threat of a fight with a women (no matter where she is from or what accent she may have).

Sometimes (but NOT always).... it is best to just buck-up, humble yourself, and politely apologize.

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...I ride this road 3-5 times per week because of its proximity to my house...
One of my favorite local leisure riding routes is like the route you described. I like that route and don't want to avoid it. It's not my immediate neighborhood - which is not particularly bicycle friendly - but close enough to be worth the detour. Since it's not my neighborhood, and passes through a somewhat exclusive country club residential zone, I consider myself a guest and try to be a good one.

If I'd encountered a situation like that I'd try to make the best of it. I'd anticipate seeing the same driver again and try to be prepared to smile and wave. If the opportunity occurs to chat, maybe it would defuse the tension. Maybe she was late for work, had a headache or a bad day.

A month ago a fellow in that neighborhood where I ride gave me a lift home in his pickup when my flat tire kept rolling off the rim. I couldn't even walk the bike home on a flat (I had a patch kit but neglected to bring my floor pump, the only pump I had at the time). I was facing the prospect of a 3-mile hike with a 30+ lb bike on my shoulder. But that fellow brought me right to my door.

That's the sort of experience I try to remember. So if I happened to encounter an unpleasant situation I'd try to consider it an anomaly and make the best of it. Maybe a little extra effort on my part, a gesture of patience and kindness, in the spirit of the entire community, might be one way to return the favor shown me by the fellow with the truck who gave me a ride home.
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Feel the love!
Whatz not to love about advice straight out of the 'loony bin', or the 'funny farm'? Isn't that what make A&S advice as useful as it is?
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Whatz not to love about advice straight out of the 'loony bin', or the 'funny farm'? Isn't that what make A&S advice as useful as it is?
A&S can be both useful and entertaining in my experience.
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Chris. What happened. to your post count and join date? You're still you, right?
Blame it on Google Chrome. Back in April. The dummies at Google removed a line of code, that allowed owners of their Garmin. To sync on Garmin's website. It hadn't affected my Google Chrome until now. So, I had to switch my web browser to Firefox. For a couple days I was running both Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox, until I had decided what to do. I tried to sync all the usernames' and passwords. From Google to Firefox. But it didn't work. So I had to re-register. At least I still was able to do the bookmarks and history.
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I'm letting it go. I reacted to her yelling at me after nearly running me over and especially the threat to run me over next time. I find it hard to tame the adrenaline when almost run over by an irrational driver.

I'll never be able to say "sorry" as Dave C suggests; however, I also would never entertain a fight.....no way. I did nothing wrong and hit the brakes as hard as I could and simply avoiding serious injury was all I could do when she pulled in and cut me off. She and I were on our brakes full bore and I made a snap decision not to ride off into the ditch and woods. I was thinking more of reporting her threat to the LPD because she illegally passed me, essentially ran me off the road, and then she threatened to kill me next time. Sounds like assault to me. I took her words as a legitimate threat and no matter what I said to her, mere words cannot justify her actions or threat to run me over next time. I am not going on that road anymore. Simple solution.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
The best thing you can do here is learn (since there really is NOTHING else you can do). You hit her car! What you say to someone when you hit them, their car, their kid, their pet, their bicycle is NOT "you cut me off". What you should have said is: I am sorry. Then if she said "you should have stopped" (and she was/is correct). Your reply should have been: I tried, I am sorry.

Two I am sorry's will normally defuse most of these types of situations. Most people are tickled pink with a simple apology.

Unless you're also a woman... I wouldn't recommend ever entering into a fight or attempting the threat of a fight with a women (no matter where she is from or what accent she may have).

Sometimes (but NOT always).... it is best to just buck-up, humble yourself, and politely apologize.
Are you kidding? It sounds like the driver made an illegal pass and slammed on her brakes. If you cut in front of somebody in that manner, the collision is your fault. No need for the OP to apologize and admit guilt when s/he did nothing wrong. That's not to say that there isn't a time to back off when wronged to avoid further trouble from an irrational driver, but in that situation I would never apologize.
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Are you kidding?
No.

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It sounds like the driver made an illegal pass and slammed on her brakes.
Well.... that IS what the OP posted! I see that kind of driving all the time when I ride. Don't you? I expect erratic driving from the motorists and even other cyclists I share the road with. We all should. And... why would we get upset when people behave exactly like we expect them to?

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If you cut in front of somebody in that manner, the collision is your fault.
Maybe. Once cops and lawyers are called in, who knows who gets blamed. Where I live it isn't uncommon for BOTH to be citied.

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No need for the OP to apologize and admit guilt when s/he did nothing wrong.
You are correct. There is rarely a need to apologize, and I've never heard of any law that requires apologies ether. And I am sure you're correct about the driver being in violation as well. I am also a firm believer in standing your ground.... on the important stuff. But... I believe in this, and in most cases similar to this, a polite verbal exchange benefits the individual cyclist as well as cyclists as a whole.

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That's not to say that there isn't a time to back off when wronged to avoid further trouble from an irrational driver, but in that situation I would never apologize.
I'd much rather share the roads with motorists that greet me with a friendly wave..... than a glaring stare (and inner desire to run me over). The OP missed the chance for future friendly encounters.

As far as "traffic laws" and "legal" right and wrong... the OP can make a good case. But as far as proper polite behavior and "playing well with others"... I don't think the OP earned a gold star for his actions in this event. I am convinced that being the bigger man (or woman) and offering up some friendly, polite, humility... would have been a smarter response.

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...... I did nothing wrong and hit the brakes as hard as I could and simply avoiding serious injury was all I could do when she pulled in and cut me off. She and I were on our brakes full bore and I made a snap decision not to ride off into the ditch and woods.
I am sure your cycling skills were fine. Cars can stop faster than bicycles. And bicycle accidents... particularly with cars... are scary. Emotions will naturally run high! I have also yelled at motorists a couple times.... it happens. In this case (fortunately) no harm, no foul.

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...... I am not going on that road anymore. Simple solution.
Well that sucks for YOU. What a bummer that you are the loser in this. I am sorry that this worked out poorly for you.

I know... smiling and acting benevolent towards someone that may have nearly caused you great harm... is a bitter pill to swallow. And it won't always be possible. We are after all only human. But it does feel better afterwards... than does some unresolved bitter exchange.

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As far as "traffic laws" and "legal" right and wrong... the OP can make a good case. But as far as proper polite behavior and "playing well with others"... I don't think the OP earned a gold star for his actions in this event. I am convinced that being the bigger man (or woman) and offering up some friendly, polite, humility... would have been a smarter response.
In other words "A soft answer turns away wrath." It does work, and is almost always better than a heated confrontation.
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This situation reminds me of Dr. Christopher Thompson out in Los Angeles. Who was found guilty and sentenced to five years in prison. Because, He intentionally passed, brake-checked, and caused two cyclists to rear-end him.

Getting into a physical altercation with any driver male or female is never good. But I will not cower to a female motorist who wants' to do me harm.

There is 21yr.-old female driver in Australia who has racked up more traffic citations than she is old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUIWW370I1I

Now tell me why I should not have a problem with a female driver. When they commit the same heinous behavior.
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In other words "A soft answer turns away wrath." It does work, and is almost always better than a heated confrontation.
Except wrath hath done preceded a normal verbal human response. A speeding motorist passes on a no-pass country lane and cuts another vehicle off the road. Damage done. It is hard to describe her driving actions in writing. But to pass me on such a narrow lane a mere few hundred feet from her driveway is irrational, which when coupled with her threat to run me over next time sheds all the light I need on her intent and motive. THAT is why I will avoid that road.

My response was purely verbal and was direct without any profanity. I was louder than I should have been but a mere 1 mile prior, another car was stopped on the left side of the road at her mailbox (going the wrong direction). I slowed way down. Suddently and while reading her mail, she pulls straight across the road into the driveway of her horse farm. I went into the ditch but I was only doing maybe 7 mph....slow. That road is jinxed. I'll take the hillier, busier route home.
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I understood exactly what she did, and I would have a very hard time not blowing up about it. And they always say they are going to run you down. Who know, some might actually do it.

Actually, around here I would have called the cops. Might not be worth it in a lot of places.
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