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Old 11-12-15, 10:56 PM
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MUP are shared by all ages including young children who do not have the mental capacity to strictly keep right.
Children and dogs should be well heeled by their parents/owners before venturing upon a public path or "MUP".
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
I think it's widely recognized that it's wrong to intentionally shine a bright light in someone's face.
It's also widely recognized that pulling out in front of someone is wrong too. I'm going to keep shining my helmet light(s) at drivers who do that to me, you're free to turns yours off to avoid offending them.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
A few reasons
1. As to lights in other drivers eyes, that is an aggressive move that only servers to disorient. In the context of this thread we are talking about adult cyclists. It doesn't need to be written that one should not temporarily disable other drivers. But in fact it is a written AZ law for motor vehicles not to shine a spot beyond the left side of vehicle.
"1. Not more than one spot lamp that when lighted is aimed and used on approaching another vehicle only so that no part of the high intensity portion of the beam is directed to the left of the prolongation of the extreme left side of the vehicle nor more than one hundred feet ahead of the vehicle."
2. MUP are shared by all ages including young children who do not have the mental capacity to strictly keep right.
3. Which side should walkers, runners and cyclists stay on? Walkers are usually trained to travel against vehicular traffic.
4. Paths are for recreation. It is unreasonable to expect pedestrians to march in single file.

Yes there are MUP with designated walk/cycle areas, but those fall under what I referred to as posted rules.
1) You too are free to avoid offending those who pull out in front of you by shining a light in their eyes and are most welcome to turn your lights off to avoid disorienting drivers in an aggressive manner. If there's a better way than flashing a bright light in their eyes causes them to become aware of my presence (as well as the presence of others) so they avoid temporarily (or permanently) disabling me after their aggressive act of pulling out in front of me I'd like to hear about it. Experience has taught me lighting is an easy and effective way to minimize this problem.
2) You shouldn't expect the people, pets or wildlife you encounter on a MUP to behave in a consistent way to make it easy to pass safely without slowing down enough to allow you to counter any unexpected move they make. Children should be treated the same way.
3) Keep right makes the most sense to me, just like it does for cars when people drive. Walkers and joggers usually keep left to avoid motorized traffic when they're in the street. Motorized traffic is prohibited on the local bike paths and MUPs around here as well as so narrow that motorized traffic with 4 wheels would take up the whole pathway. Keeping left or right wouldn't matter then, they'd be in the way on either side and should think about getting out of the way instead of how they have a right to be on whatever side of the path they feel is right.
4) Paths are also for transportation, and transportation funds paid for parts of the paths I use. While I agree it's unreasonable to expect walkers to walk single file on a regular basis, they shouldn't be allowed to block the path for other users. I usually stop when I see people coming at me 2 wide or on the wrong side of the path and wait for them to pass. Illinois has allowed the paranoid to carry lethal weapons in public this year, and I'd prefer to wait a little longer than find out one of the people coming at me is wanting to stand their ground with some weapon they've been anxiously waiting to use.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
While I've never had an issue seeing around corners in the darkest of rural nights with no streetlights, I agree using a helmet light is great if that helps you.


This should be illegal. You are blinding the very driver that needs to be able to see. You are the hazard. Having had this happen to me several times I can tell you it is very disorienting.
My bar mount headlight does perfectly fine in making me visible.
Sometimes I don't ride on streets, I pedal on dark dirt roads and paths with zero light. There is no way to see around the corner without a helmet light if your only light is on the bar. They are not seeing me until they (wait for it) have seen the light. I have literally stopped people from running me over. Blinding , no, getting their attention, yes. The HAZARD is them not looking and running me over. AZ ? Please pedal a mile in my shoes before being critical. MA drivers vie for the top 5 worst drivers n the whole USA every year. Get it? YRMV. Let the meek get their a$$es run over. Did you see the biker with the lights? Yup.
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Old 11-13-15, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
It's also widely recognized that pulling out in front of someone is wrong too. I'm going to keep shining my helmet light(s) at drivers who do that to me, you're free to turns yours off to avoid offending them.
I wasn't worried about "offending" drivers failing to yield, its all the other times when I didn't want to shine my light at others. Doing head checks, making eye contact, and even just looking around at a stop become an exercise in light management. I simply found it wasn't worth the effort, often contrary to what I consider my duty towards others, and an unwillingness to burden others for a personal sense of safety when there's better options.

Do you seriously consider the scenario of someone "standing their ground" a real possibility, or are you being facetious?
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Old 11-13-15, 03:55 PM
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I use a flashing taillight. But, not the super-bright daylight flash at night

I like the idea of the simple flash to be recognisable as something other than a roadside reflector, and identifiable as a bicycle.

If you have a bright daylight taillight, then put it on dim after dark.

For the headlight, I find a strobe is very annoying, even a bright strobe reflection is annoying. I do use the super-dim strobe the headlight at times at dusk, but once it is dark, I put it on solid. With the exception of one median strip MUP which has headlights and taillights on both sides, as well as a bunch of super-short lamp posts. Visibility on that MUP is horrendous, and I do flash.

I did use the bright flash for the first time a week ago. I was coming home with a load of frozen pizzas on my rack. About 1/2 mile from home, they all went flying. Frozen pizzas all over the road. I immediately turned around. When I saw a car coming up behind me, I turned the bright strobe on. Once I got the person's attention, I still directed it downward. They slowed down as I collected my load of pizzas.
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
I wasn't worried about "offending" drivers failing to yield, its all the other times when I didn't want to shine my light at others. Doing head checks, making eye contact, and even just looking around at a stop become an exercise in light management. I simply found it wasn't worth the effort, often contrary to what I consider my duty towards others, and an unwillingness to burden others for a personal sense of safety when there's better options.

Do you seriously consider the scenario of someone "standing their ground" a real possibility, or are you being facetious?
I keep the helmet light aimed up higher than needed to make it easy for me to look around without shining the light in the eyes of others, yet still make it easy for me to get noticed when someone is about to pull out in front of me. It's quick, easy and effective in those situations as well as the uphill part of the ride home from my GFs house that involves trying to see through the glare caused by a poorly aimed light illuminating the parking lot across the street from the top of the hill.

I'm worried about getting shot where ever I am now. I've seen enough people go from being upset at me for riding on "their" path to being upset at me for waiting for them to go around me as it is. I don't want to be around anyone like that woman who shot at the shoplifter outside of Walmart recently anytime, especially when they're already mad at me for interfering with their meander whatever portion of the bike path they feel entitled to use.
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Old 11-13-15, 04:46 PM
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If you have a bright daylight taillight, then put it on dim after dark.
My superbright Denotte tail light is pointed downwards about 35 degrees day and night as per the instructions. Plenty noticable in daylight and not only impossible to overlook after dark but reflected light on the road illuminates the tarmac for a hundred feet behind me. The road surface looks like part of the light.
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I have five on my trike and try to keep them level.



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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post

This should be illegal. You are blinding the very driver that needs to be able to see. You are the hazard. Having had this happen to me several times I can tell you it is very disorienting.
My bar mount headlight does perfectly fine in making me visible.
It is against the law to shine a light into a drivers eyes.
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it is against the law to shine a light into a drivers eyes.
what law?
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Old 11-13-15, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
I have five on my trike and try to keep them level.
Dood! You have a light fetish! I think NASA might file a complaint if the Space Station crew gets blinded.

You either work for Dinotte or have a LOT of extra cash lying around. Nicely done. You win.

(I like the barbed wire helmet too)
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Old 11-14-15, 10:51 AM
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My riding is almost exclusively 2-4 lane highway commuting. 16km (10 miles) each way. No shoulder for most of it. Notoriously bad drivers.

I *always* have multiple blinking red lights at the back. Front solid headlight if low or no natural daylight (It's pitch black when I leave at 6am these days, bright afternoon light on the way home.) The headlight is a Chinese wonder light on its lowest setting, aimed low enough to illuminate the road in front of my I need to see.

That said - I use the see-it-from-space blinking mode as I approach intersections with cars looking to turn into my lane space, driveways with cars looking to depart, etc. They can wait their turn or have no excuse for a collision.

I don't encounter too many other bikes... and when I do if they are facing me they are on the wrong side of the road, breaking the law, so screw them. Others are passed as quickly as possible.
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Old 11-15-15, 04:45 AM
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And you still never count of x, y and zed...you have no idea if they'll act as you think. If you have traffic coming up on you it's still necessary to flow with traffic and watch for them, yield if you need to.

Until they plant a chip in everyone to synchronize them or something, not happening. Nope.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
I have five on my trike and try to keep them level.



Three

On the 'three' setup. The position of the lone(as opposed to the two in pair) light confuses me. Is it far above your bike?
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Dood! You have a light fetish! I think NASA might file a complaint if the Space Station crew gets blinded.

You either work for Dinotte or have a LOT of extra cash lying around. Nicely done. You win.

(I like the barbed wire helmet too)
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Old 11-16-15, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 1983 View Post
It seems this ideology is lost among those who must have a rave on their handlebars.
My light has four modes: hi, med, lo, DISCO!
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On my dedicated commuter, I have an asymmetric, shaped light with top cutoff on steady all the time, day and night. Also have the corresponding tail light, and because it's German, it is constant-on, no option for blinky. Someone euro correct me, but at least in Germany, I thought that blinking lights are illegal for use on bicycles?

The dyno-hub driven lights are sometimes supplemented with a blinky red light on the back of my helmet, and/or a h-bar mounted headlight. I never run the headlights in blinky mode.

It might be wrong or even illegal to shine a light directly at an oncoming driver, but cars frequently do not dip high beams for mere cyclists. The only really effective way I found to indicate that they were blinding me was to aim a helmet mounted light directly at them. That always got the point across and they would switch from high-beams. However, the helmet mounted light also resulted in some cars actually engaging their high-beams, and pedestrians complaining about being blinded, so I dropped the helmet front light.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Blinking lights?

Why? What do they actually do?

Don't count on others noticing YOU as much as you noticing THEM. Nothing is 100% safe but you are the ultimate safety device.
One thing they do is reserve the battery power on a long commute when you need a bright light. If you travel on blacktop with no or very few street lights, you need a bright light. I tried lower powered lights on my commute, but had to turn around and go back home before getting too far down the road. Couldn't tell where the BT ended and the shoulder began. I don't shine my lights in the oncoming traffic, but I'm also not going to ask drivers to shut down their lights. I haven't had anyone protest my light by means of horn blowing, flashing of their lights, middle finger, or any other form of communication. BTW, how many here griping about the bright lights have those blue lights, or whatever they are called, on your daily driver? Now, those will blind oncomers even on low beam.
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Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Unless one needs to see around a dark, unlit corner first. No way to do that unless you have a helmet light. I can't wait until the bar light swings around. I love looking at the drivers who "don't see me" until I shine my helmet light their way. Works well.
I also like using my helmet light (mostly strobe) to shine into the road signs or rail deflectors when traffic is coming up behind me. It makes the whole side of the street flash, so if they are in a staring moment, or playing with their phones, etc., they can't miss the "flashing" signs in front of them.
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Originally Posted by spoiledrotten View Post
I also like using my helmet light (mostly strobe) to shine into the road signs or rail deflectors when traffic is coming up behind me. It makes the whole side of the street flash, so if they are in a staring moment, or playing with their phones, etc., they can't miss the "flashing" signs in front of them.
Uh, just so you realize what is going on here. The signs on the right side of the street are retro-reflective. They reflect light back towards the light source give or take a few degrees.

The light on the top of your head is the light source. Your eyes are right below the light source. This is why *you* can see the "flashing" signs.

Traffic around you is not seeing what you are seeing. There are no "flashing" signs for them except in the uncommon case where they are in a small sweet spot behind you and to your left.


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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Uh, just so you realize what is going on here. The signs on the right side of the street are retro-reflective. They reflect light back towards the light source give or take a few degrees.

The light on the top of your head is the light source. Your eyes are right below the light source. This is why *you* can see the "flashing" signs.

Traffic around you is not seeing what you are seeing. There are no "flashing" signs for them except in the uncommon case where they are in a small sweet spot behind you and to your left.


Sorry.

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I had no idea that's the way they are manufactured. I'll have to test that tidbit of info. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by spoiledrotten View Post
I also like using my helmet light (mostly strobe) to shine into the road signs or rail deflectors when traffic is coming up behind me. It makes the whole side of the street flash, so if they are in a staring moment, or playing with their phones, etc., they can't miss the "flashing" signs in front of them.
I was the first one stopped for a train coming home one night and turned the 3 lights I had with me that flashed to flash. They flashed at different speeds and when combined with the flashing lights for the train it produced an interesting effect.
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Originally Posted by spoiledrotten View Post
One thing they do is reserve the battery power on a long commute when you need a bright light. If you travel on blacktop with no or very few street lights, you need a bright light. I tried lower powered lights on my commute, but had to turn around and go back home before getting too far down the road. Couldn't tell where the BT ended and the shoulder began. I don't shine my lights in the oncoming traffic, but I'm also not going to ask drivers to shut down their lights. I haven't had anyone protest my light by means of horn blowing, flashing of their lights, middle finger, or any other form of communication. BTW, how many here griping about the bright lights have those blue lights, or whatever they are called, on your daily driver? Now, those will blind oncomers even on low beam.
I really hate those "blue" lights as they are far more common than the occasional glaring bicycle light. The reason they are so bad is they are a HID projector lamps in a reflector lamp housing. They are highly illegal.
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