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Old 03-06-16, 09:02 PM
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Something new happened today

I live and ride in a tourist town in a hilly area with windy roads, and many of the visitors are from rural states with not much experience with cyclists, there are only a few places that its really possible to control the lane(and you still get passed, on blind turns).
Anyway, I was riding along today on a winding section of highway with a really nice shoulder, about three feet. A car and two HD's passed me, and the car hit his left turn signal. Before the car even slowed, both motorcycles immediately swung over into the shoulder to pass, right into me. Luckily, experience has taught that motorcycle riders can suck just as bad as anyone, so I was alert enough to avoid them, though it was close. The second riders rear wheel was right next to my front.
The thing is, they had to know that I was there. blinkys, dayglo yellow shirt, bright daylight. They had just passed me seconds before.

Just something else to add to the list of things to look out for.
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Old 03-06-16, 09:16 PM
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Weekends are especially bad for HD riders. Many only ride on weekends with good weather so they often have rusty handling skills. There's a safety reason for their loud pipes as well. Glad you weren't hurt.
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Old 03-06-16, 10:45 PM
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Weekends are especially bad for HD riders. Many only ride on weekends with good weather so they often have rusty handling skills. There's a safety reason for their loud pipes as well. Glad you weren't hurt.
I second this. Motorcycles can have hot exhaust pipes. Regardless of how someone touches them. If it is still hot, it is definitely no fun to touch.
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Old 03-06-16, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
I second this. Motorcycles can have hot exhaust pipes. Regardless of how someone touches them. If it is still hot, it is definitely no fun to touch.
Why the hell would you touch motorcycle exhaust pipes while riding your bicycle?
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Old 03-07-16, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
Why the hell would you touch motorcycle exhaust pipes while riding your bicycle?
I can sort of see. From my reply. Why you think I might do that intentionally. I meant, if for some reason, a motorcyclist brushed the leg of a cyclist. Or even as a passenger on a motorcycle.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 03-07-16, 06:18 AM
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A lot of motorists fail to allow for how fast a cyclist may be moving when passing them and move back too soon. If the cyclist was stationary, or moving slowly it'd be fine, but a faster moving cyclist may still be beside them.
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
A lot of motorists fail to allow for how fast a cyclist may be moving when passing them and move back too soon. If the cyclist was stationary, or moving slowly it'd be fine, but a faster moving cyclist may still be beside them.
Yeah, forgot to say that it was an uphill grade and I was doing about 20 mph. Luckily I was starting to react to the turn signal at once, before I even knew the cycles were moving over. The thing that makes it really funny to me is that there are signs everywhere telling motorists to watch for motorcycles.

My town is a big HD rider destination(which means they trailer them in and wobble around from bar to bar, and then the harley store. Ive been right hooked by groups of twenty or more riders following each other like lemmings forcing me to panic stop, hit by a drunk riders mirror on a deliberately close pass, took me down breaking my collar bone, and Ive been run off the edge by a trike rider who passed me(I was taking the lane)then moved right in front and braked since there was a line of stopped cars right ahead. That one ended with a face off with a whole group. Amazingly they left after some shouting.

Never had any trouble with any riders of other makes of motorcycle so far, and there are plenty.
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Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
Why the hell would you touch motorcycle exhaust pipes while riding your bicycle?
Ive been CLOSE to them on the road, but if you got near enough to one to brush the pipe, a leg burn is just a small part of your problems!
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Old 03-07-16, 07:55 AM
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Sadly you just experienced the pecking order of the hiways. Trucks-----------cars-------------motorcycles--------------bikes. The smaller and lighter you are the lower you are in the pecking order. Glad you were alert!!!!!
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Old 03-07-16, 07:57 AM
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I never had any real trouble with motorcycle riders, since many, that I have encountered, seem have enough experience to realize that they are a vulnerable road user as well, and have given me plenty of room when passing by me.
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Old 03-07-16, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Sadly you just experienced the pecking order of the hiways. Trucks-----------cars-------------motorcycles--------------bikes. The smaller and lighter you are the lower you are in the pecking order. Glad you were alert!!!!!
One 'vehicle' to insert in the 'pecking order'. Between motorcycles, and bikes. Is mopeds.
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Old 03-07-16, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
I never had any real trouble with motorcycle riders, since many, that I have encountered, seem have enough experience to realize that they are a vulnerable road user as well, and have given me plenty of room when passing by me.
When there are thousands of them in a town of 2,000 on an average weekend, there are high odds of friction. I know at least two other riders in town who avoid riding when there are a lot of them. The only beer bottle(that I know of)that was thrown at me came from the middle of a large group out on a rural highway.
Many of the riders that come are not really that experienced. Most of the bikes have under 5,000 miles on the clock. I have actually started riding more in the rain, cause then the only ones out there are bmw adventure/enduro types, who are much better riders.
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Old 03-07-16, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
My town is a big HD rider destination(which means they trailer them in and wobble around from bar to bar, and then the harley store. Ive been right hooked by groups of twenty or more riders following each other like lemmings forcing me to panic stop, hit by a drunk riders mirror on a deliberately close pass, took me down breaking my collar bone, and Ive been run off the edge by a trike rider who passed me(I was taking the lane)then moved right in front and braked since there was a line of stopped cars right ahead. That one ended with a face off with a whole group. Amazingly they left after some shouting.
Like with some cyclists, there's a segment of the motorcycling community, mostly HD riders, who embrace the whole "control" the road concept, making up their own rules of the road and exceptions to the law, and other nonsense such as "loud pipes save lives". The common thread being "safety" used as an excuse for narcissism.

Keep in mind, Harleys are big ticket lifestyle accessories these days, the majority or riders in those groups are simply indulging in weekend role playing, and are most likely middle class professionals who will be all bark and no bite. Unless they have a 3 piece patch with central logo, club name on top, city or state on the bottom, and "MC", they're just tourists.
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I know that the chances of a Harley rider being highly skilled on their bike are not as good as a that of sport-bike rider, and when I hear a Harley coming up from behind it's definitely on my mind. If you compare the typical Harley riding position and the weight of that bike to your own experience on a bicycle with same, it's easy to see why even a skilled rider will have a harder time holding a line, reacting quickly, and avoiding trouble than they would on a lighter bike in a more favorable riding position. It makes them more dangerous than most sport-bike riders, imo.

I ride a highway that's very popular with cyclists and motorcyclists, and it doesn't take long to figure out which motorcyclists are truly into their craft-hint: it ain't the HD folks!
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Never put your tongue on a pipe in the winter either.

That pipe is venting the exhaust from a hard working two cylinder engine that possibly has a supercharger as well (they are extremely popular accessories for V-twins). Their old ladies are very aware of this as well, if they aren't riding their own Hog.

And I beg to differ, living in an area where Harleys are king. You won't find a better touring motorcycle and also won't find better owners who take care of them.

And Schwinn was the Harley of bicycles. Maybe you've got those AMF years in mind...and AMF was Cleveland Welding (CWC) once as I understand. The Rollfast name and Roadmaster ended up there at one point, they even mashed them together on a cantilever bike headbadge in the late 60s or early 70s (can't recall if it was a BMA-6 bike or not but it was on eBay recently).
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post

That pipe is venting the exhaust from a hard working two cylinder engine that possibly has a supercharger as well (they are extremely popular accessories for V-twins). Their old ladies are very aware of this as well, if they aren't riding their own Hog.

And I beg to differ, living in an area where Harleys are king. You won't find a better touring motorcycle and also won't find better owners who take care of them.

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Got to disagree, its not just the bad experiences on a bike with midlife crises poseurs. The number of wrecks and break downs on any given weekend lean heavily to the harley. Local shop does not even stock goldwing parts in contrast to the pretty comprehensive collection of HD parts he keeps around.

watching a bike get trailered into town, where the owners hide the truck and trailer behind the motel before changing into the leathers, then laying the bike down when it hits a pothole in the parking lot is not uncommon. Local auto shop owner I know got some straps just to carry motorcycles on the bed of his flatbed. He has, he says, to date never had anything but harleys on it.

The motor is hard working. Its 1920's tech with a bunch of chrome on it, trying to keep up with more reliable modern engines.
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[QUOTE=Rollfast;18590429]Never put your tongue on a pipe in the winter either.



And I beg to differ, living in an area where Harleys are king. You won't find a better touring motorcycle and also won't find better owners who take care of them.

Well, except maybe (definitely) a BMW..or a Goldwing..or a big Kawasaki. All better, lighter, relatively vibration free, bikes....imho.
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
Unless they have a 3 piece patch with central logo, club name on top, city or state on the bottom, and "MC", they're just tourists.
But often tourists with deeper pockets than average. Lawyer up right away if they ever do any damage.
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watching a bike get trailered into town, where the owners hide the truck and trailer behind the motel before changing into the leathers

Y'know, I never really understood that. I know people who have gone to Sturgis by trailering their bikes there. WTH? When I had a bike, the fun part was the ride there and back.
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Y'know, I never really understood that. I know people who have gone to Sturgis by trailering their bikes there. WTH? When I had a bike, the fun part was the ride there and back.
This scenario has gone on for years: A guy will boast "I'm goin' to Sturgis, dude!" To which I'll say "Oh yeah, are you riding all the way?" The guy inevitably gets that are you nuts? look on his face and tells me how his buddy's got this great trailer.

There was ONE time when a guy I knew rode there on his Harley with a group of his Harley buddies: three breakdowns in total among four bikes, two bikes hauled back in a truck. Thanks very much but if it was me, I'd be on that Beemer.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
I can sort of see. From my reply. Why you think I might do that intentionally. I meant, if for some reason, a motorcyclist brushed the leg of a cyclist. Or even as a passenger on a motorcycle.

Sorry for the confusion.
Where I live, intentional or otherwise, brushing the leg of a cyclist with your motorcycle tail pipe is called a crash.
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I don't think I'll get on the Harley bashing band wagon as I've owned 3, and have been riding a Russian motorcycle for the past 8 years.

IMO, the squids on croch rockets are just as prevalent as pirates on hogs. Unfortunately motorcycling attracts more than its fair share of those desperately in need of attention, but who lack the character to get it in a positive manner.
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I don't think I'll get on the Harley bashing band wagon as I've owned 3, and have been riding a Russian motorcycle for the past 8 years.

IMO, the squids on croch rockets are just as prevalent as pirates on hogs. Unfortunately motorcycling attracts more than its fair share of those desperately in need of attention, but who lack the character to get it in a positive manner.
Sorry for the digression, kickstart, I don't disagree with you-there's no shortage of yahoos riding all kinds of motorcycles. I have a friend who has a (Russian made I'm pretty sure) BMW knockoff with a sidecar, it's really cool!
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The kind of motorcycle riders are regional.

In rural PA, we're all rednecks. We don't have that many RUBS. But in the tiny river town of Foxburg, some doctor took over the town to build a big fancy area up with restaurant, ice cream shop, gourmet chocolate shop, pizza, wine shop, etc and it is over run by the RUBs from the big city. I went to the festival once with the kids and had a good laugh at all their pressed and shiny leather that still had creases on them from hanging in the store. They ride for the destination of hanging out and showing off their expensive toys.

Around here, the crotch rocket riders are all kids, 16 through 24 years of age. There's not many of them, but usually you see them ripping 140 mph down the highway at 13,000 RPM weaving in and out of traffic. These young kids ride for the thrill of speed.

Most are just rednecks who progressed from their Kawasaki Vulcan cruisers up to the Harley's. They ride daily commuting to work and ride for hours and hours on the weekends on the beautiful windy roads of rural PA. The weekends you will see them in groups of 4 or 5 usually at the speed limit or sometimes less. They do huge charity rides through the summer along with the younger 30ish age crowd on their Kawasaki Vulcans and Honda Shadows. They wave to the little kids playing in the yards that they pass by and they also wave to me while I'm out on the bicycle. These are the real bikers. They are the ones that the journey to the destination is more important than the destination itself, much like us cyclists.
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I have a friend who has a (Russian made I'm pretty sure) BMW knockoff with a sidecar, it's really cool!
Odds are its a Ural from Russia like mine, I have a 2007 2wd sidecar rig. They were also produced in China and Ukraine, but never imported to the US. Only Ural survived, and is now a US based company with their corporate HQ right here in Redmond Washington.
Don't know if there I'd call it a knockoff as the Germans sold them the tooling and engineering for the obsolete BMW R-71 in the late 30's.
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