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Old 03-15-16, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
And again I propose, rather than just being a pointed critic... what ideas do you have to offer? Anything... Bueller... anything?
See: http://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-s...l#post18608372
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Originally Posted by joash View Post
I'm doing some work on Vision Zero (the plan to eliminate traffic deaths). I would like forum members to suggest things law enforcement can do to make cyclists (and pedestrians) safer.

Thanks!
They should stop marginalizing cyclists' lives. By weak responses to incidents' involving cyclists'. Sort of like LE going by the phrase, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Meaning if a cyclist didn't die, why bother. Even if they do bother, there are weak sentences.
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Old 03-15-16, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Seize the cars of drivers who are not obeying traffic laws. It really is that simple.

Ever notice how people suddenly drive the speed limit and actually signal lane changes when a police cruiser shows up... people know what they are doing wrong and are just trying to get away with it... threaten to (and actually do it) seize their cars and I suspect we will have a vastly more polite and law abiding driving public.
I thought we were just supposed 'seize the day', lol. But yes, seize the cars too.
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Old 03-15-16, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Circular logic, and no real suggestion.... so just empty rhetoric. OK thanks.
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Old 03-15-16, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Seize the cars of drivers who are not obeying traffic laws. It really is that simple.

Ever notice how people suddenly drive the speed limit and actually signal lane changes when a police cruiser shows up... people know what they are doing wrong and are just trying to get away with it... threaten to (and actually do it) seize their cars and I suspect we will have a vastly more polite and law abiding driving public.
OH PLEASE, GENE.
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OH PLEASE, GENE.
And your suggestion is...

Or are you too just a critic.
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Old 03-15-16, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Circular logic, and no real suggestion.... so just empty rhetoric. OK thanks.
Talk about logic as well as hyperbole and admitted outrageous suggestions!

How 'bout your suggestion/construct that the "Laws of of Physics" is where Law Enforcement personnel will find the appropriate laws and applicable penalties for suspected traffic violators.

One thing for sure, it is unlikely that rational law enforcement personnel, their supervisors, or voters will pay the slightest bit of attention to so-called "advocates" who give the impression of believing they are perpetual victims of mean motorists and corrupt lEO's, and who pride themselves as promoters of outrageous vengeance schemes.
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Old 03-15-16, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Talk about logic as well as hyperbole and admitted outrageous suggestions!

How 'bout your suggestion/construct that the "Laws of of Physics" is where Law Enforcement personnel will find the appropriate laws and applicable penalties for suspected traffic violators.

One thing for sure, it is unlikely that rational law enforcement personnel, their supervisors, or voters will pay the slightest bit of attention to so-called "advocates" who give the impression of believing they are perpetual victims of mean motorists and corrupt lEO's, and who pride themselves as promoters of outrageous vengeance schemes.
And yet again no better solutions...

Just empty criticism. Not one original idea... my my.
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Could take every ones bicycles away and force you to stay home hooked up to a feeding tube.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Where did you "hear" of cases of people ticketed for obeying the speed limit and IMPEDING TRAFFIC as a result? On BF or a similar source of such legal factoids?
I turned up a few dozen in 2 seconds on Google, but for the most part they were people driving the speed limit in the left lane. While I don't advocate that behavior either, it still validates my point:

Driving the speed limit in the left lane wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the people that ARE speeding and they're just ignoring.

On the same forums, officers are saying that the speed limit is an absolute maximum speed under ideal circumstances; yet that's complete bunk. On Chicago freeways for instance, the speed limit is 55 and everyone is going 70 to 85 MPH. You'd be an idiot to go the speed limit there.

I think they do it intentionally because it means that they ALWAYS have an excuse to pull over anyone they feel like. They don't like your skin color in this neighborhood, they don't like kids driving that kind of car through this area, they have a guaranteed excuse to pull you over and harass you.
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Originally Posted by TheLibrarian View Post
Could take every ones bicycles away and force you to stay home hooked up to a feeding tube.
While that MIGHT work to protect the cyclists... there are still pedestrians that might be killed... and in any case the whole "Vision Zero" thing mentioned by the OP is in regard to ALL traffic deaths... So you'd still have motorists out there killing other motorists... you know, some 30,000 a year or so. How do you stop that, unless you take away their killing machines?
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Originally Posted by joash View Post
I'm doing some work on Vision Zero (the plan to eliminate traffic deaths). I would like forum members to suggest things law enforcement can do to make cyclists (and pedestrians) safer.

Thanks!
Don't park your ****ing cruisers in the ****ing bike lane unless there is an active emergency in which case move them ASAP. Ensure your officers know the traffic law and how ti pertains to bicycles. Tow cars parked in the bike lane like you would cars blocking the flow of traffic. Arrest drivers who injure or kill cyclists.

P.S. Glad to see a few people are still derailing threads on A&S.

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Old 03-16-16, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by joash View Post
I'm doing some work on Vision Zero (the plan to eliminate traffic deaths). I would like forum members to suggest things law enforcement can do to make cyclists (and pedestrians) safer.

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If the goal is to eliminate traffic deaths, it's doomed to failure.
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Old 03-16-16, 11:01 AM
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My advice to cops? Lemme think...how about they quit stopping my employees on the way to work for Driving While Black? Or me, for Riding A Bicycle On A Public Street? Or maybe the best advice would be for them to get a job more suited to their capabilities, like flipping burgers.
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So you'd still have motorists out there killing other motorists... you know, some 30,000 a year or so. How do you stop that, unless you take away their killing machines?
That's down from 50,000 a year in 1980.

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As to the how: airbags, crumple zones, backup cameras, frontal cameras wired to the brakes, etc, have made tremendous progress as we can see in the post above.
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Old 03-16-16, 11:29 AM
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As to the how: airbags, crumple zones, backup cameras, frontal cameras wired to the brakes, etc, have made tremendous progress as we can see in the post above.
Yup, smarter safer cars... we can't do a thing to improve the drivers though... So the solution is to make the cars smarter and more protective of the passengers... of course those OUTSIDE the vehicles don't get much more protection...
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Well you asked how to reduce the 30,000 deaths that happen inside of cars, so that's the question I answered.
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Well you asked how to reduce the 30,000 deaths that happen inside of cars, so that's the question I answered.
Actually the OP was asking about NYC specifically, where much of the concern is about vehicle deaths to non occupants of vehicles. The non-occupant category includes bicyclists, pedestrians and neither, ie. people sitting inside a restaurant. I haven't check the data, but I suspect that the ratios of deaths and injuries for various categories is different within NYC, than the national averages.
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Well you asked how to reduce the 30,000 deaths that happen inside of cars, so that's the question I answered.
Well, we are pointed in the right direction... you noted that improvements to the cars reduced deaths... I suggested taking the cars away from bad motorists... I think this all leads to the same thing... driverless cars, or at least cars without human drivers.
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of course those OUTSIDE the vehicles don't get much more protection...
Actually some cars on the market now do provide protection to cyclists and pedestrians. Typically high end Mercs and the like, but remember, most if not all safety innovations that are standard on most cars now started out on high end, usually European, luxury cars. Even smaller, cheaper cars are starting to get lane assist for instance, and that's bound to have already saved a cyclist or two by keeping people from drifting onto the shoulder. Some systems will alert and even brake if you're about to hit a cyclist.
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Actually some cars on the market now do provide protection to cyclists and pedestrians. Typically high end Mercs and the like, but remember, most if not all safety innovations that are standard on most cars now started out on high end, usually European, luxury cars. Even smaller, cheaper cars are starting to get lane assist for instance, and that's bound to have already saved a cyclist or two by keeping people from drifting onto the shoulder. Some systems will alert and even brake if you're about to hit a cyclist.
Indeed, the closer we come to removing the offending motorist from the car, the better off we will all be... and yet there are those that fail to see that inevitability.
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If the goal is to eliminate traffic deaths, it's doomed to failure.
Yes ... but that does not mean it is not worth attempting.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
That's down from 50,000 a year in 1980.

How interesting is that! Hmmm...
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Owning a firearm is a right (in this country) and if I broke a law with it, I think that they would seize my firearm.

Driving is a licensed privilege, and if you break the law, it is unfair that they could seize your car?

You all dismiss @genec's comments simply because they sound absurd on the surface due to the previous auto-centered century but I haven't seen a cohesive argument against them. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I'm not going to call him stupid if I cant win a logical argument against him.
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