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Old 03-17-16, 08:15 PM
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Cyclist killed in Buffalo, NY

Sad news out of Buffalo, prayers for all involved:

Bicyclist killed after colliding with vehicle in Buffalo | wivb.com
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Old 03-18-16, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by yashinon View Post
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Bicyclist killed after colliding with vehicle in Buffalo | wivb.com
While the intersection in question has no traffic lights. How does a cyclist hit a vehicle and vehicle end up with a smashed windshield. When the cyclist was going north, and the driver was going east.

I could see a smashed windshield from a head-on collision, or from a side-impact collision where the motorist hit the cyclist. But I don't see how a cyclist could caused the damage to the windshield. When they were perpendicular to each other.
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The cyclist had a stop sign. The auto driver did not. RIP cyclist.
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Old 03-18-16, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
While the intersection in question has no traffic lights. How does a cyclist hit a vehicle and vehicle end up with a smashed windshield. When the cyclist was going north, and the driver was going east.

I could see a smashed windshield from a head-on collision, or from a side-impact collision where the motorist hit the cyclist. But I don't see how a cyclist could caused the damage to the windshield. When they were perpendicular to each other.
Sometimes these articles aren't written all that clearly, but when I was left hooked by a car I was heading North and she was turning into a driveway (East). My bike went off the front of her car and I was scooped up on the hood and went right into the windshield. I did smash it.
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Old 03-18-16, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
The cyclist had a stop sign. The auto driver did not. RIP cyclist.
That does not mean, that the cyclist did not stop for the stop sign.
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Sometimes these articles aren't written all that clearly, but when I was left hooked by a car I was heading North and she was turning into a driveway (East). My bike went off the front of her car and I was scooped up on the hood and went right into the windshield. I did smash it.
Presuming that is same type of scenario here. Unless the (deceased)cyclist had mush for brains about cycling in that neighborhood and how 'traffic remedies are dealt with. I don't think that the driver will .get off. With more than a citation.
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Old 03-18-16, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
While the intersection in question has no traffic lights. How does a cyclist hit a vehicle and vehicle end up with a smashed windshield. When the cyclist was going north, and the driver was going east.

I could see a smashed windshield from a head-on collision, or from a side-impact collision where the motorist hit the cyclist. But I don't see how a cyclist could caused the damage to the windshield. When they were perpendicular to each other.
It's not that hard to puzzle out. The cyclist obviously entered the intersection ahead of the car and was struck side on. The car hit the cyclist. My only question at this point is what is the speed limit in so obviously residential a part of town and what was the speed of the car at the time he struck the cyclist. I don't know... I've blown through more stop signs than I have had hot breakfasts but I think I would hear a car barreling towards the intersection at a speed sufficient to turn my bike (and me!) into Origami. I would also be looking for some sign of an approaching car and... ... that's all I've got...
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Old 03-18-16, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
That does not mean, that the cyclist did not stop for the stop sign.
I think it can be assumed that he did not stop for the stop sign. It's ok to say that. That said, I once was waved through an intersection by a driver who was waiting on the East side of an intersection that was full on the other side. I knew that there was another lane that was empty. I know better. As a pedestrian I would just shake my head and stay where I was but I thought that on a bike I could move into the road and scan for approaching cars. WRONG. As soon as I got to the second lane there was a car headed to me at what looked like 60 mph. He covered an entire city block in one second and was right on top of me before I could blink. I didn't even have time to be frightened. To him it must have looked like I just appeared in front of him. But he stopped. Brought it down to a complete stop in less than 20 feet.

I wouldn't have been going as fast as that driver in an urban section of town, but still, I never approach an intersection without considering that another driver might not stop for his sign or signal. The driver that struck that cyclist was not anticipating a cyclist in the intersection. Why not? It's an intersection, there could be a mother pushing a stroller, another car, a cyclist, a dog... no excuse to be barreling into an intersection with all that speed and no caution. Was he drunk? Distracted? It is not my opinion that he had no choice but to smash that cyclists so thoroughly.

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Presuming that is same type of scenario here. Unless the (deceased)cyclist had mush for brains about cycling in that neighborhood and how 'traffic remedies are dealt with. I don't think that the driver will .get off. With more than a citation.
Do you mind trying that last paragraph again? I don't know what point you are making.
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Old 03-18-16, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
It's not that hard to puzzle out. The cyclist obviously entered the intersection ahead of the car and was struck side on. The car hit the cyclist. My only question at this point is what is the speed limit in so obviously residential a part of town and what was the speed of the car at the time he struck the cyclist. I don't know... I've blown through more stop signs than I have had hot breakfasts but I think I would hear a car barreling towards the intersection at a speed sufficient to turn my bike (and me!) into Origami. I would also be looking for some sign of an approaching car and... ... that's all I've got...
It was lowered from 50mph, down to 30mph in May of 2015. But there has been a lot of argument in the community from those who didn't like having to slow down, and of course from those who applauded the lowered speed limit. The reason for lowering in first place. Was because a small boy was killed last May. The corner where the cyclist was killed. Is part of the Scajaquada Expressway that runs through the neighborhood of Delaware Park.

Because of that being considered part of the Scajaquada Expressway. There is a greater responsibility on the part of motorists, to pay attention.

It would be like someone with a gun, who already knows the lethality of guns. Killing a person and saying, 'they got in the way of my bullets'.
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Old 03-18-16, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I think it can be assumed that he did not stop for the stop sign. It's ok to say that. That said, I once was waved through an intersection by a driver who was waiting on the East side of an intersection that was full on the other side. I knew that there was another lane that was empty. I know better. As a pedestrian I would just shake my head and stay where I was but I thought that on a bike I could move into the road and scan for approaching cars. WRONG. As soon as I got to the second lane there was a car headed to me at what looked like 60 mph. He covered an entire city block in one second and was right on top of me before I could blink. I didn't even have time to be frightened. To him it must have looked like I just appeared in front of him. But he stopped. Brought it down to a complete stop in less than 20 feet.
No, It can't be assumed. So, No it isn't okay.

As for your experience, of being 'waved through'. I do the same thing. When a motorist tries to 'wave me through', I also shake my head and 'wave them through'(lol ) But I do it on account of not trusting people behind the wheel. Regardless of whether they are visible, or not.
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I wouldn't have been going as fast as that driver in an urban section of town, but still, I never approach an intersection without considering that another driver might not stop for his sign or signal. The driver that struck that cyclist was not anticipating a cyclist in the intersection. Why not? It's an intersection, there could be a mother pushing a stroller, another car, a cyclist, a dog... no excuse to be barreling into an intersection with all that speed and no caution. Was he drunk? Distracted? It is not my opinion that he had no choice but to smash that cyclists so thoroughly.
That is a given. When in a residential community.......SLOW DOWN

The driver should have anticipated ANYTHING potentially being in the road. Just like the boy who was killed last year. I anticipate that ALL motorists' will be stupid at some point while behind the wheel. Because, To assume they won't, is foolish(not saying you are)
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Do you mind trying that last paragraph again? I don't know what point you are making.
I was remarking on bikecrate's experience.
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Old 03-18-16, 01:15 PM
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Chris is wrong again. There is NO damage to the front of the car. Pretty good reporting actually.
AFAICS the bike had to be moving over 10 mph, hitting the side by the wheel, then momentum flew him on to the windshield.
How could the speed limit be over 30 with houses right beside?
If the cops are so reluctant to do anything, it must be a poor black neighborhood. The guy interviewed sure was clueless about cycling.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
That does not mean, that the cyclist did not stop for the stop sign.
Doesn't matter if he stopped or not, there's still the obligation to proceed only when the intersection is clear, and safe. It's not subjective or ambiguous, the cyclist is at fault either way
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Old 03-18-16, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
... I've blown through more stop signs than I have had hot breakfasts
Not something to take pride in, in my book.
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Old 03-18-16, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
Chris is wrong again. There is NO damage to the front of the car. Pretty good reporting actually.
AFAICS the bike had to be moving over 10 mph, hitting the side by the wheel, then momentum flew him on to the windshield.
How could the speed limit be over 30 with houses right beside?
If the cops are so reluctant to do anything, it must be a poor black neighborhood. The guy interviewed sure was clueless about cycling.
It was over 30mph for a long time. Because that is part of NYSR 198. Until a boy was killed last May. IMO, Even before the speed limit. Why is busy state road routed through a residential neighborhood. Where kids would be playing.
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That does not mean, that the cyclist did not stop for the stop sign.
When people get onto me because I roll stops, I remind them that stopping does nothing to ensure my safety. Making sure it's safe to proceed is what counts.
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Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
Chris is wrong again. There is NO damage to the front of the car. Pretty good reporting actually.
AFAICS the bike had to be moving over 10 mph, hitting the side by the wheel, then momentum flew him on to the windshield.
How could the speed limit be over 30 with houses right beside?
If the cops are so reluctant to do anything, it must be a poor black neighborhood. The guy interviewed sure was clueless about cycling.
That's a painfully stupid remark.
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When people get onto me because I roll stops, I remind them that stopping does nothing to ensure my safety. Making sure it's safe to proceed is what counts.
Nice to have some company here. Now there are two of us speaking the truth. It's not that stop sign stuck in the ground that's gonna kill you. Best to be looking for traffic that certainly will kill you if they get the chance.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Nice to have some company here. Now there are two of us speaking the truth. It's not that stop sign stuck in the ground that's gonna kill you. Best to be looking for traffic that certainly will kill you if they get the chance.
He said "roll stops" like I, and many others sometimes do too. That's a far cry from what you have advocated in the past, such as wholesale running of traffic controls, and shooting gaps at speed.
Your self ingratiating bravado on the subject hasn't projected an impression of good judgment, but just foolish luck that won't grace most people and circumstances, and is a poor example to promote.

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