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Even with Sharrows, cops remain ignorant on use of the full lane

Old 04-13-16, 07:00 AM
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Quick video I made about Front Street from my ride a couple of weeks ago.

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Nice vid! I'll look forward to taking Front St to my next Arcade breakfast.
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So many thoughts on this guy; if you look at his channel, this happens regularly, and he argues every time. I finally left a comment, asking if it wouldn't be easier to simply hand them a copy of the relevant code?

Next time I'll also suggest he offer to give free bicycle safety talks to the SDPD; then they'd have no excuse.
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Originally Posted by Korina
So many thoughts on this guy; if you look at his channel, this happens regularly, and he argues every time. I finally left a comment, asking if it wouldn't be easier to simply hand them a copy of the relevant code?

Next time I'll also suggest he offer to give free bicycle safety talks to the SDPD; then they'd have no excuse.
The difference between him and most other similar videos on YouTube is that he remains super calm and chill pretty much all the time. The one video with the guys passing him in the van is particularly funny in their exchange afterwards.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
The difference between him and most other similar videos on YouTube is that he remains super calm and chill pretty much all the time.
It seems like he actually likes the attention, and purposely turns it into an event.

I think he needs more hugs.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
it seems like he actually likes the attention, and purposely turns it into an event.

I think he needs more hugs.
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Originally Posted by Korina
So many thoughts on this guy; if you look at his channel, this happens regularly, and he argues every time. I finally left a comment, asking if it wouldn't be easier to simply hand them a copy of the relevant code?

Next time I'll also suggest he offer to give free bicycle safety talks to the SDPD; then they'd have no excuse.
I used to carry a business card that had the CA bike code on it for just that reason. I only managed to give two away to motorists over the years. I gave away a few to interested cyclists. Never managed to hand one to a LEO.

For a few years I had the CA vehicle code posted outside my cube... it provoked a few comments from co-workers... mostly along the lines of "gee, I really didn't know that..."

I always found the conversation that followed, interesting. One of the biggest myths seems to be that "you have to go the speed limit." It always amused me that even engineers misunderstood "limit."

Regarding teaching the SDPD... SDCBC offers Road 1 classes all the time, for free, to anyone interested. SD Bike Coalition Those classes are taught by guys like the LCI in the OP video.
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Regarding teaching the SDPD... SDCBC offers Road 1 classes all the time, for free, to anyone interested. SD Bike Coalition Those classes are taught by guys like the LCI in the OP video.
But who teaches the officers? I was imagining a 15 min. bicycle safety/laws talk, and a handout with the relevant vehicle code, lather, rinse, repeat until all the officers at all the stations hear it. I know, I have a vivid imagination.
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I just saw where a number of traffic engineers and other people with FDOT in Florida went through and completed the CyclingSavvy workshop, I think weekend before last, near Orlando. I would love to see more things like that happening around the country.
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Nice vid! I'll look forward to taking Front St to my next Arcade breakfast.
Hey [MENTION=348220]bbbean[/MENTION] not sure when you'll be in Memphis again, but I forgot that Riverside is actually back down to 2 lanes again for traffic, this time on the west side of the median, because they're still working on clearing out a mudslide that happened on the bluff by the east (northbound) lanes of Riverside after those torrential rains we got about 2-3 weeks ago. And it'll be at least partially, or maybe totally closed down through the month of May for Memphis In May.
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Originally Posted by Korina
But who teaches the officers? I was imagining a 15 min. bicycle safety/laws talk, and a handout with the relevant vehicle code, lather, rinse, repeat until all the officers at all the stations hear it. I know, I have a vivid imagination.
Yeah, seems like something like you imagine should take place from time to time... but apparently it doesn't. Hell even a simple youtube vid the officers could watch on their own time might help. Hmmmmm Enhancing Bicycle Safety: Law Enforcement's Role | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

Or even this: https://humantransport.org/ncbikeed/?page_id=57

But oddly, nothing really on cyclist rights or use of the road seems to exist here:
https://www.policeone.com/police-prod...aining/videos/

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I wonder how often the average cop interacts with cyclists strictly on traffic matters.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
I wonder how often the average cop interacts with cyclists strictly on traffic matters.
Probably not very often, but when they do, you can count on someone getting a video and posting as if this was all cops did all day.

There are very clearly cases where individual cops exceed their authority and/or misunderstand the law. But most cops spend most of their time dealing with actual crime and criminals. A sense of perspective goes a long way in dealing with them.

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Originally Posted by bbbean
Probably not very often, but when they do, you can count on someone gettnig a video and posting as if this was all cops did all day.

There are very clearly cases where individual cops exceed their authority and/or misunderstand the law. But most cops spend most of their time dealing with actual crime and criminals. A sense of perspective goes a long way in dealing with them.

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On my way home Friday, I rode past a couple of cops dealing with what looked like a nasty domestic violence situation between some Africa immigrants. That's a touchy situation at best, then there's the added language and culture barriers. Add to that all the other ugly, and dangerous thing's they deal with on a regular basis that requires extensive training because they're life or death situations. Well, it makes these cycling related issues seem like a tempest in a teapot. If folks think it's that important, maybe they should work with their local cycling advocacy group, and come up with something they can take to the departments, rather than expect the cops to come to them.
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Originally Posted by Korina
So many thoughts on this guy; if you look at his channel, this happens regularly, and he argues every time. I finally left a comment, asking if it wouldn't be easier to simply hand them a copy of the relevant code?

Next time I'll also suggest he offer to give free bicycle safety talks to the SDPD; then they'd have no excuse.
From what I have seen from too many of SDPD officers, they care little for bicycle or gun issues. They prefer to just make up their own law or claims and stop citizens on that basis. They will never care about the actual law, just like the cop in the video.

The rest of SDPD could care less and simply ignore both groups, neither helping or doing harm to their concerns.

An LCI in Honolulu did teach a class to Honolulu PD at the academy for some time. During that time, most cyclist got a fair deal from new HPD officers. Recent discussions with the newest HPD officers indicates they are no longer learning anything about bicycle laws (sad).
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Originally Posted by Looigi
The laws are the same regardless of whether sharrows are painted on the road or not.
I'd rather see them used well; just left of the lane center to clearly indicate that cyclists can be anywhere in the lane, and in places where good shoulder goes away as an indication that cyclists are likely to be entering the road there.

For example: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2130.../data=!3m1!1e3
On my morning commute, coming from the northeast, (Don't look to the northeast along Washington. I hate that stretch and only leave the north side sidewalk if traffic is light and I'm fresh enough to pound through it at 20+. Narrow lanes, high curbs, and idiots turning in and out of parking lots without looking. It's even a scary place for motorcycles as I can think of three "didn't see him" fatalities involving them along there in the last couple decades.) the nice wide shoulder just goes away as I pass the Dairy Queen. About 100 yards past that is a low spot where water often pools from the grass to a couple feet into the right lane, so in a 40 zone, I move from the shoulder to the inside tire track of the right lane, then back to the shoulder where it widens and smooths again (and starts a short climb) until I have to retake the lane at the next light. Past the light, there's a good 8-10' wide, mostly well maintained shoulder for the next couple of miles, (Less one spot where it becomes a right turn lane. How I handle that depends on traffic and whether my knee is aching enough to get off and walk for a minute.) but there are a few places where small gravel and sand will sometimes pile up, and an intersection where I've nearly been right hooked at speed before, so I'll take the lane long enough to clear those. IMO, a sharrow or two in those spots would make me feel about the same as having them spaced out along the full length of the road.

Going home, I usually take a different route a bit north and cut through the university. In the mornings, though, there are just too many students running/driving around with their heads buried in their phones.
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