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Old 03-31-16, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
But when you have a camera running I have no doubt that the very empowerment of such a tool encourages bold sallying forth towards that stale yellow rather than a more cautious approach to the intersection.
You really are in your own little world, aren't you, dreaming up reasons why anyone doing things differently than yourself is wrong in as many ways as you can think of.

I don't even remember that I have cameras running. In fact more than half the time I forget to turn them off. I usually remember to turn them on because I can see the one on the helmet as I'm putting it on. I certainly don't change my behavior because I'm running cameras. If I changed my behavior at all I would be more cautious because I know that if something does happen, I don't want to have recorded evidence against myself.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
You really are in your own little world, aren't you, dreaming up reasons why anyone doing things differently than yourself is wrong in as many ways as you can think of.

I don't even remember that I have cameras running. In fact more than half the time I forget to turn them off. I usually remember to turn them on because I can see the one on the helmet as I'm putting it on. I certainly don't change my behavior because I'm running cameras. If I changed my behavior at all I would be more cautious because I know that if something does happen, I don't want to have recorded evidence against myself.
He is in his own little world!!!!!!!!

I turn them on when I leave home, and off, when I am about to go into a business. I don't want the camera, to video when(and where), I don't need it to.
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I have to think back to some of the aggressive, or downright criminal, acts I've encountered while riding to evaluate which direction would be best (or if two cameras is really a necessity).

The incident at the top of my list was when a bunch of high school rejects came up alongside me, while I was doing 20+mph, and tried to push me off the road. Yep, it seriously happened. The only reason why I didn't end up in the ravine paralleling the road is because I saw the passenger getting out of his window, through my helmet mirror, about 2-3 secs before it happened. It gave me just enough time to tuck and brace for the push. I chased those lowlifes for a mile, but the street lights weren't in my corner on that ride. Obviously, having their license plate would have been a huge plus. But the forward facing camera probably wouldn't have caught any of the actual incident.

Another time, someone tried to swerve around me and intentionally cut me off into the shoulder, by slamming their brakes and completely cutting off my lane. Forward facing camera would have nailed the incident, and the plate. In fact, many times, I'm so flustered/angry at what happens in these situations, my brain isn't immediately trying to get plate/model descriptions. This is a big reason to have a camera along for the ride.

Another frequent problem I have is one major downhill descent out of town. I'm usually going well over the speed limit, and take the middle of the right lane. I get buses and cars following me at 40mph (over the speed limit), 10 feet off my back tire, and basically trying to push/intimidate me down the hill. It's not safe AT ALL. When officers do speed traps at the bottom, I've stopped and tried to explain what these drivers are doing, but they don't pay much attention. I'm guessing at the very least that if I bring video to our town's transit system, showing the bus#, that management will take action. Anyway, obviously a rear facing camera is a must in this scenario.

Then there are those times when the motorists (or even cyclists) decide to spout off. That's when it would be nice, regardless of where the camera is mounted, that you could redirect it to point directly at them. That's one reason I like the wrist mount idea.

Just a few of my notable encounters. Obviously I also get the close passers, right hooks, and aggression that others describe.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
SVC200 - I think ItsJustMe recommended it a while back, and I finally got around to getting one. It's fairly compact, and lightweight.
Ok, I see that camera has a 1/4 inch tripod mount on the bottom. GoPro has an adaptor so you can use their mounting system for a variety of mounting options.

My suggestion would be to mount it facing forward. There seems to be 2 options, handlebar or helmet.
Helmet:
Pros - no road vibration, can point where you look thus more camera view, does not use up handlebar space.
Cons - a lot of panning as your head moves, can feel the weight up there after a while, need to remove helmet to make adjustments, change batteries, etc.

Handlebar:
Pros - no wild panning, can make adjustments, change batteries, etc without removing helmet
Cons - road vibration, uses up handlebar space

In my experience, I did not like the road vibration on the handlebar and helmet mounting allowed me to point the camera better, and in my province, we do not have license plates on the front of vehicles, so a rearward would not offer much. So my suggestion is helmet mount facing forward, unless you guys DO have plates mounted on the front of motor vehicles, then you may seriously want to consider a rear-facing camera.

I agree with ItsJustMe that a rear-facing camera allows more context of what is going on. Just last spring I purchased a Fly6 and found it to be a great camera. However, there is no way that you can get driver description due to glare on the windshield, in my experience.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
I'm actually pricing a 2nd camera right now, just curiously. lol. Yeah, two cameras would be ideal. I see so many idiotic moves, in both directions, on almost every ride. It's scary. It speaks to absolute lack of enforcement in this area (both of car-on-cyclist and car-on-car encounters).

Unfortunately, adding even another camera would further weigh down my road bike. I'm not a weight weenie or anything, but it is annoying.
I will be buying the Fly 6 soon:

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Originally Posted by digger View Post
Ok, I see that camera has a 1/4 inch tripod mount on the bottom. GoPro has an adaptor so you can use their mounting system for a variety of mounting options.

My suggestion would be to mount it facing forward. There seems to be 2 options, handlebar or helmet.
Helmet:
Pros - no road vibration, can point where you look thus more camera view, does not use up handlebar space.
Cons - a lot of panning as your head moves, can feel the weight up there after a while, need to remove helmet to make adjustments, change batteries, etc.

Handlebar:
Pros - no wild panning, can make adjustments, change batteries, etc without removing helmet
Cons - road vibration, uses up handlebar space

In my experience, I did not like the road vibration on the handlebar and helmet mounting allowed me to point the camera better, and in my province, we do not have license plates on the front of vehicles, so a rearward would not offer much. So my suggestion is helmet mount facing forward, unless you guys DO have plates mounted on the front of motor vehicles, then you may seriously want to consider a rear-facing camera.

I agree with ItsJustMe that a rear-facing camera allows more context of what is going on. Just last spring I purchased a Fly6 and found it to be a great camera. However, there is no way that you can get driver description due to glare on the windshield, in my experience.
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I will be buying the Fly 6 soon:

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Thank you both for the Fly 6 suggestion. I'd never heard of it. Pretty cool, and lightweight. I'll have to keep my eye on prices.
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I've NEVER had a handlebar mount that worked. Maybe people who live in nice warm areas where the pavement is always glass smooth and the grass is always lovely green can do handlebar mounts, but here in Michigan, if you mount on the handlebar, you might as well mount the camera in a paint shaker. The few times I've tried it, the ONLY time you could even see what was going on was when you came to a stop at a light. So, helmet mount for me.

The rear cam Fly6 also shakes but for some reason it's not as bad as on the handlebar. Don't know why.

In general the firmer the mount, the less shaking. If the mount allows wiggle, the camera flops around like crazy. If it's firm, it vibrates but it just makes things a bit blurry, not wild and unwatchable. So that's probably why the Fly6 is acceptable when facing backwards.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
Thank you both for the Fly 6 suggestion. I'd never heard of it. Pretty cool, and lightweight. I'll have to keep my eye on prices.
I used CamelCamelCamel.com and set up a price watch for it, so it emailled me when the price on Amazon went below my trigger point. I wound up getting a Fly6 for $129 shipped. It was pretty clearly old stock from a bike shop, but it just had a few fingerprints on it, it was perfect otherwise.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
I used CamelCamelCamel.com and set up a price watch for it, so it emailled me when the price on Amazon went below my trigger point. I wound up getting a Fly6 for $129 shipped. It was pretty clearly old stock from a bike shop, but it just had a few fingerprints on it, it was perfect otherwise.
Thanks. I can actually get it new for pretty close to that. Unfortunately, I have a topeak seat bag for my emergency kit, and it sounds like it can only be mounted on the seatpost. There's a little gap near the base of my seatpost, but not sure that would work. Probably not.

I saw in another one of your posts that you use the mobius on the front, as opposed to the SVC200? Was that mainly for weight consideration? I guess the mobius is like 40 grams or something? Just barely started reading about it, so not sure of the numbers.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
Thanks. I can actually get it new for pretty close to that. Unfortunately, I have a topeak seat bag for my emergency kit, and it sounds like it can only be mounted on the seatpost. There's a little gap near the base of my seatpost, but not sure that would work. Probably not.

I saw in another one of your posts that you use the mobius on the front, as opposed to the SVC200? Was that mainly for weight consideration? I guess the mobius is like 40 grams or something? Just barely started reading about it, so not sure of the numbers.
I used the Mobius for a while, but I just switched to a Roam3. The Mobius switch was for size and weight. The downside is very low battery life, especially in cold weather, and questionable weather resistance even with an optional silicone cover. I switched to the Roam3 because it has a 3.5 hour battery life.

I'd previously owned an original Roam, but the lack of a format switch and no cyclical recording meant you HAD to attach it to a computer every few days to erase the card. Also the Roam3's addition of the switch to select between two user-configurable settings is nice.

The SVC200 is a good camera and I still own it, but the battery life is only barely adequate for my route, I have to charge it at either end.

Yeah, the Fly6 is really only useful for roadies or backpack/pannier commuters. I use a rack trunk bag so the Fly6 default mount is not useable.

Here's my solution for the Fly6 mounting:

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/ra...iq-fly6-camera

I need to do one for my other rack, and I think I may try to do a generic rear triangle one as well.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
I used the Mobius for a while, but I just switched to a Roam3. The Mobius switch was for size and weight. The downside is very low battery life, especially in cold weather, and questionable weather resistance even with an optional silicone cover. I switched to the Roam3 because it has a 3.5 hour battery life.

I'd previously owned an original Roam, but the lack of a format switch and no cyclical recording meant you HAD to attach it to a computer every few days to erase the card. Also the Roam3's addition of the switch to select between two user-configurable settings is nice.

The SVC200 is a good camera and I still own it, but the battery life is only barely adequate for my route, I have to charge it at either end.

Yeah, the Fly6 is really only useful for roadies or backpack/pannier commuters. I use a rack trunk bag so the Fly6 default mount is not useable.

Here's my solution for the Fly6 mounting:

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/ra...iq-fly6-camera

I need to do one for my other rack, and I think I may try to do a generic rear triangle one as well.
Cool rack adaptation.

Based on some of the lowest seatpost mount pics on amazon, I think my seat bag would probably come down slightly too much.

I'm surprised you didn't just keep extra batteries around for the SVC200, and rotate em. Since they use that generic nokia battery, you can buy a bunch at $5 a pop.
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I've NEVER had a handlebar mount that worked. Maybe people who live in nice warm areas where the pavement is always glass smooth and the grass is always lovely green can do handlebar mounts, but here in Michigan, if you mount on the handlebar, you might as well mount the camera in a paint shaker. The few times I've tried it, the ONLY time you could even see what was going on was when you came to a stop at a light. So, helmet mount for me.

The rear cam Fly6 also shakes but for some reason it's not as bad as on the handlebar. Don't know why.

In general the firmer the mount, the less shaking. If the mount allows wiggle, the camera flops around like crazy. If it's firm, it vibrates but it just makes things a bit blurry, not wild and unwatchable. So that's probably why the Fly6 is acceptable when facing backwards.
That's my experience. The handlebar mount vibrates too much.

I wonder if your weight on the rear wheel keeps the vibration down, whereas on the handlebar there is much less weight and thus tends to vibrate more (?).
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
Thanks. I can actually get it new for pretty close to that. Unfortunately, I have a topeak seat bag for my emergency kit, and it sounds like it can only be mounted on the seatpost. There's a little gap near the base of my seatpost, but not sure that would work. Probably not.

I saw in another one of your posts that you use the mobius on the front, as opposed to the SVC200? Was that mainly for weight consideration? I guess the mobius is like 40 grams or something? Just barely started reading about it, so not sure of the numbers.
Cycliq is also soon releasing their Fly12. I'm a Kickstarter backer and a recent update states that the camera will be shipped to backers in Mid-April and general release soon after.

The Fly6 has, at least, a 6 hour battery life and the Fly12 states the same (depending on light mode).

I'm going to try and mount the Fly12 underneath the drops using a Gopro mount. Will likely vibrate, but I'll give it a try.
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I use the Rideye front and back with GoPro mounts. I figure each adds about 8 ounces, or 1 pound total. I'm too old/slow for that to make a difference worth noticing.

We've had two hit-and-runs in less than a year where I ride. Just a few weeks ago, someone got hit from behind in broad daylight. Last July, a drunk (ok, alleged, he hasn't had his trial yet) killed a jogger on the same road. The former was picked up a few days later, claimed he thought he hit a mailbox, posted bail (10% of $150k) and is out awaiting trial. The latter was picked up in about an hour, his damaged vehicle parked in front of his house, and he was passed out inside. He remains in jail because he can't post straight bail of $400k. And news stories have him complaining that he's unfairly housed with 'dangerous' people due to his high bail. To quote the first line in a recent newspaper story: "He wants out". My heart bleeds for him...

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I'm surprised you didn't just keep extra batteries around for the SVC200, and rotate em. Since they use that generic nokia battery, you can buy a bunch at $5 a pop.
Oh, I did. It's still a pain in the butt to take the camera out of the waterproof case and exchange batteries, then remember to charge two of them when I get home.

I'm interested in the Fly12, but I am building a shop this summer and between that and buying a lathe and CNC router to go in it, I'm gonna need about $10K in fun money so I'm cutting back a bit on random purchases.
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Originally Posted by digger View Post
That's my experience. The handlebar mount vibrates too much.

I wonder if your weight on the rear wheel keeps the vibration down, whereas on the handlebar there is much less weight and thus tends to vibrate more (?).
Is is possible the way it's mounted is causing a problem? For instance, if you just have one, small attach point, like that tripod screw mount, it might be too sensitive to vibrations. But if it's securely attached to the bar, perhaps secured to multiple locations, it would be less jittery.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
Is is possible the way it's mounted is causing a problem? For instance, if you just have one, small attach point, like that tripod screw mount, it might be too sensitive to vibrations. But if it's securely attached to the bar, perhaps secured to multiple locations, it would be less jittery.
Perhaps. When I had the Contour on the handlebar I was using a higher mount so it was about 3(ish) inches off the bar, perhaps too top heavy. Whereas the Fly6 is just about flush, and in-line, with the seat post.

Anyway, when I get my Fly 12 I'm going to try mounting it to the bottom of the drops, but more flush, and in-line with, the handlebar. It'll be low, about knee height.
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I use the Rideye front and back with GoPro mounts. I figure each adds about 8 ounces, or 1 pound total. I'm too old/slow for that to make a difference worth noticing.

We've had two hit-and-runs in less than a year where I ride. Just a few weeks ago, someone got hit from behind in broad daylight. Last July, a drunk (ok, alleged, he hasn't had his trial yet) killed a jogger on the same road. The former was picked up a few days later, claimed he thought he hit a mailbox, posted bail (10% of $150k) and is out awaiting trial. The latter was picked up in about an hour, his damaged vehicle parked in front of his house, and he was passed out inside. He remains in jail because he can't post straight bail of $400k. And news stories have him complaining that he's unfairly housed with 'dangerous' people due to his high bail. To quote the first line in a recent newspaper story: "He wants out". My heart bleeds for him...

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I was eyeballing the Rideye (no pun), but I heard that there were quality and support issues. Any trouble with it at all?
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Perhaps. When I had the Contour on the handlebar I was using a higher mount so it was about 3(ish) inches off the bar, perhaps too top heavy. Whereas the Fly6 is just about flush, and in-line, with the seat post.

Anyway, when I get my Fly 12 I'm going to try mounting it to the bottom of the drops, but more flush, and in-line with, the handlebar. It'll be low, about knee height.
Maybe as purely a test, try mounting the fly6 on your handlebar. I know the orientation, and angle would be off, but you'd probably be able to tell if it's less jittery.
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Maybe as purely a test, try mounting the fly6 on your handlebar. I know the orientation, and angle would be off, but you'd probably be able to tell if it's less jittery.
Jeez guy, I'm not sure how I would mount it. The mount that comes with it is specifically designed for a seat post (meant for a vertical post mount).

One COULD, I suppose, mount it sideways on the handlebar. But thinking on it, no, the Fly6 does move side-to-side in the mount slightly, if mounted sideways, then I feel it would bob up and down.
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I used the Mobius for a while, but I just switched to a Roam3. The Mobius switch was for size and weight. The downside is very low battery life, especially in cold weather, and questionable weather resistance even with an optional silicone cover. I switched to the Roam3 because it has a 3.5 hour battery life.

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The SVC200 is a good camera and I still own it, but the battery life is only barely adequate for my route, I have to charge it at either end.

Yeah, the Fly6 is really only useful for roadies or backpack/pannier commuters. I use a rack trunk bag so the Fly6 default mount is not useable.

Here's my solution for the Fly6 mounting:

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/ra...iq-fly6-camera

I need to do one for my other rack, and I think I may try to do a generic rear triangle one as well.
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You wouldn't happen to have a solution for a Fly6 tether would you? I've read about the plastic mount splitting and thus spilling the camera.

I was considering taking the back off and drilling 2 holes in the lower corner to thread in a small tether....but that will affect water proofness I guess. I also examined the protruding slide on the back of the Fly6 to see, if somehow, a hole with tether could be attached there.
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You wouldn't happen to have a solution for a Fly6 tether would you? I've read about the plastic mount splitting and thus spilling the camera.
No, and I need to deal with that.

I did write to them and ask that they please include a tether point in future products. I don't know if they will or not.

I may just cement a tiny loop to it somewhere.
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No, and I need to deal with that.

I did write to them and ask that they please include a tether point in future products. I don't know if they will or not.

I may just cement a tiny loop to it somewhere.
I assume the thing can be opened to access the battery, etc, like the Planet Bike lights? Can you clamp a tether/string/other between the two plastic shells?
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I was eyeballing the Rideye (no pun), but I heard that there were quality and support issues. Any trouble with it at all?
I've read the same reports. Been using them since August of last year. I live in the Northeast USA and ride year-round, so I've had them out in 25- to 90-degree weather. I ride about 2,500 miles per year, more in the summer than winter, so figure 1,000 miles since August. What's gone wrong during those miles:

- On one ride, a camera shut itself off mid-ride (and this was on a 60-degree day, so it probably wasn't weather related).
- My picture above of the rear camera is with a GoPro rail mount. It was originally a Rideye seatpost mount, but that cracked during a ride. Luckily it held up until I got home - didn't realize it was cracked until I went to remove the camera, and the mount almost snapped in two!!! The cameras are expensive and I don't want one crashing on the pavement behind me. The alloy GoPro rail mounts are much stronger than the plastic Rideye mounts. Accordingly, I'm exchanging ALL my Rideye seatpost mounts for GoPro rail mounts.

I've been satisfied otherwise.

- Firmware issues have been reported. The firmware upgraded for me exactly as the manual describes, and I had no problem setting the date/time stamp.
- The video automatically flips with my upside-down mounted cameras (available with the latest firmware).
- People have reported they're not waterproof. I don't commute by bicycle, but I have been caught in a few rain showers, and my cameras suffered no ill effects.

So either I got lucky and got good units, or other people have unrealistic expectations. I'm not going to pass judgement.

Regarding use of a GoPro rail mount for the rear camera: that obviously prevents you from using a saddle bag (I used to use one). But look at the photo of my front camera, and then look at the water bottles. One is a water bottle, but the other contains a couple of tubes, a mini-pump, a mini-tool, etc. That in turn means if I take a long enough ride, I have to plan on where to re-fill my one and only water bottle. For me, it's not a big deal as I rarely take rides that long.

At the time of purchase, I chose the Rideye because:
- The Fly6 is 720p vs. the Rideye at 1080p.
- The Fly6's only mount option is vertically on the seatpost, and would eliminate my saddle bag (I didn't think of using a water bottle cage at the time).
- The Rideye offered a front and rear solution, but the Fly12 wasn't (and still isn't) available.
- The prices at the time were about the same (not sure about today's prices).
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