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Old 03-29-16, 05:59 PM
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I finally have a videocam ... which way to point it?

Well, I (finally) bought a highly recommend, decently priced, action videocam and I'm torn on which way to point it. I'm leaning towards facing backwards. I'd prefer not to have two of them, but I'm guessing that will be the suggestion.

I've had it with people around here. The drivers are absolutely out-of-control, and I feel like my days are numbered (before being hit), despite being one of the most defensive and law-abiding cyclists in the area. I don't think the officers have a clue either.

BTW, can anyone recommend a jersey that says "I'M RECORDING" on the back, with maybe a BIG LENS pic? That might be the only thing that might prevent them from forcefully running me over.
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Your best bet would be facing it rearward to catch the footage of the vehicles coming from behind.
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If you have just one, then attach it to your head/helmet.
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I point mine backwards on my wrist. I can put my wrist out away from my body to draw attention to the camera; which can significantly change driver behavior.
If you get hit, it is unlikely a front facing video will catch anything.
The rear facing video can even help determine intent. Is the driver using a cell phone. Is the driver looking down. Dose the driver stare at the cyclist as the car/truck moves right closer to the cyclist, setting up for a punishment pass.
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
I point mine backwards on my wrist. I can put my wrist out away from my body to draw attention to the camera; which can significantly change driver behavior.
If you get hit, it is unlikely a front facing video will catch anything.
The rear facing video can even help determine intent. Is the driver using a cell phone. Is the driver looking down. Dose the driver stare at the cyclist as the car/truck moves right closer to the cyclist, setting up for a punishment pass.
Interesting idea. One thought I had was to mount it on my shoulder, with kind of a strap with swivel/pivot. Then, I could mostly face it towards the rear, but in certain areas/situations, I could pivot it forward. Sure, the video would be jumpy, but it would give me a little flexibility and it would also stand out.

I don't particularly like the idea of mounting to my helmet, although that is probably one of the most effective/prominent places for it.
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You could have it pointing to the front, or rear

Front, You can have it attached to:

1. Helmet
2. Chest(if it is a GoPro w/ a Chest Mount Strap)
3. Handlebars
4. Front Fork

Rear:

1. Helmet(w/ camera facing backwards)
2. Chest(if it is a GoPro w/ a Chest Mount Strap and you manage to wear the strap backwards)
3. Rear Fork
4. Seat Tube

I mention both directions, and multiple locations. Because. I have my GoPro on Chest Mount Strap. So I not only will not be 'announcing' that I have a camera(via helmet). Also so, I can catch the license plates of the vehicles that pass to closely.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516 View Post
You could have it pointing to the front, or rear

Front, You can have it attached to:

1. Helmet
2. Chest(if it is a GoPro w/ a Chest Mount Strap)
3. Handlebars
4. Front Fork

Rear:

1. Helmet(w/ camera facing backwards)
2. Chest(if it is a GoPro w/ a Chest Mount Strap and you manage to wear the strap backwards)
3. Rear Fork
4. Seat Tube

I mention both directions, and multiple locations. Because. I have my GoPro on Chest Mount Strap. So I not only will not be 'announcing' that I have a camera(via helmet). Also so, I can catch the license plates of the vehicles that pass to closely.
I get that you might want to "hide" your camera so you can truly nab dangerous drivers, but I think deterrence (if at all possible) is more important. I'd rather have a reckless and/or cyclist-targeting driver see the camera beforehand, and possibly give a wider-than-normal berth, than for me to catch him and still end up in the ER (or worse). The more cyclists that make it clear they are recording, the safer ALL cyclists will be in the long term. Eventually, many drivers will quietly ask themselves if THIS cyclist might have a camera too ... just my two sense.

By the way, I'm a road (recreation) cyclist. This isn't for commuting. So, the chest mount wouldn't work for my various riding positions.

Another negative is that our state doesn't have forward-facing license plates (I wish they would reconsider this, especially for tailers when I'm driving). So, the rearward-facing camera would only get make/model, and possibly driver, description. That would definitely have a lot of value over just my words (and my memory), but no slam dunk on capturing license plates.
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When I purchased my first camera, I pointed it towards the rear, but I soon realized that not every vehicle has a front license plate, so I then purchased a second camera and pointed it towards the front. For close passes, the rear camera, mounted on the furthest point on my bike facing the traffic side, gave excruciating detail on how close some passes really were.
The front camera gave excellent info on right hooks, pullouts, and rear license plate numbers on vehicle without front plates.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
When I purchased my first camera, I pointed it towards the rear, but I soon realized that not every vehicle has a front license plate, so I then purchased a second camera and pointed it towards the front. For close passes, the rear camera, mounted on the furthest point on my bike facing the traffic side, gave excruciating detail on how close some passes really were.
The front camera gave excellent info on right hooks, pullouts, and rear license plate numbers on vehicle without front plates.
I'm actually pricing a 2nd camera right now, just curiously. lol. Yeah, two cameras would be ideal. I see so many idiotic moves, in both directions, on almost every ride. It's scary. It speaks to absolute lack of enforcement in this area (both of car-on-cyclist and car-on-car encounters).

Unfortunately, adding even another camera would further weigh down my road bike. I'm not a weight weenie or anything, but it is annoying.
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I think it depends on your road conditions and the behavior of drivers in your area. When I have only one I put it on my helmet. The ONLY good solution I've found for rear-facing is a Fly6.

The helmet mount means that anything that I look at gets filmed.

I decided to spring for the rear camera one day after this happened:

I was riding in the (very wide, as in full lane) shoulder over an expressway overpass. As I entered the beginning of an onramp (right turn onto expressway) I noticed in my rear-view mirror the car behind me starting to pull right into the shoulder. I figured this guy wants to get onto the onramp, so I merged out into the main (right) lane so that he could get past me more easily.

Then he looked up from his phone, veered back into the lane I'd just entered, and blew his horn at me for being "in the way"

I realized that if he'd hit me, my own video evidence would have shown me moving lanes for no apparent reason, then getting hit immediately afterwards. I decided that the rear camera was going to be needed for context.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
I get that you might want to "hide" your camera so you can truly nab dangerous drivers, but I think deterrence (if at all possible) is more important. I'd rather have a reckless and/or cyclist-targeting driver see the camera beforehand, and possibly give a wider-than-normal berth, than for me to catch him and still end up in the ER (or worse). The more cyclists that make it clear they are recording, the safer ALL cyclists will be in the long term. Eventually, many drivers will quietly ask themselves if THIS cyclist might have a camera too ... just my two sense.
I keep my cameras out in the open, but being rather compact, they are still rather stealthy, especially whenever I am out doing errands and park my bike in public. Unless the recording sign that you are using is rather large, most motorist will not be able to read it at speed, just look at some garage/yard sale signs of the same size.
I have noticed that motorists are rather savvy at spotting my rear camera at stop signs and stop lights, since the incidents at those locations dropped dramatically after installing a reward pointing camera, no sign needed there.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
Unfortunately, adding even another camera would further weigh down my road bike. I'm not a weight weenie or anything, but it is annoying.
My cameras are rather compact, Contour HDs, (out of business from my understanding) and are very light in weight, I didn't even notice a difference after installing them.
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I keep my cameras out in the open, but being rather compact, they are still rather stealthy, especially whenever I am out doing errands and park my bike in public. Unless the recording sign that you are using is rather large, most motorist will not be able to read it at speed, just look at some garage/yard sale signs of the same size.
I have noticed that motorists are rather savvy at spotting my rear camera at stop signs and stop lights, since the incidents at those locations dropped dramatically after installing a reward pointing camera, no sign needed there.
Oh, I was mostly joking about the "sign" on a jersey. Of course, it's not a terrible idea.

Most of my problems happen in lower speed traffic, such as this one area where the right lane (on a three-lane road) is ending with exiting traffic (to a semi-freeway). I get people honking/screaming at me for getting out of the right lane and taking (the middle of) the middle lane. Of course, most of those people are trying to speed by/cut all those who were already set in the right lane. I just had a guy actually double-back and chase me up to the town. When he finally caught up to me, he was all spouting off - I wish a had a recording. What a fool. I told him I'd be happy to go over to that officer over there (pointing to a parked cruiser) and let him explain what he just did. The guy of course bolted. Idiot.
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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
Well, I (finally) bought a highly recommend, decently priced, action videocam and I'm torn on which way to point it. I'm leaning towards facing backwards. I'd prefer not to have two of them, but I'm guessing that will be the suggestion.

I've had it with people around here. The drivers are absolutely out-of-control, and I feel like my days are numbered (before being hit), despite being one of the most defensive and law-abiding cyclists in the area. I don't think the officers have a clue either.

BTW, can anyone recommend a jersey that says "I'M RECORDING" on the back, with maybe a BIG LENS pic? That might be the only thing that might prevent them from forcefully running me over.
I looked down through this thread but didn't see the type of camera you purchased. The type would have an impact on mounting suggestions.
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I don't know... it just might be that cycling in traffic is fraught with risk, and sooner or later... ... so best have a video camera running so your next of kin have some good tools to work with in getting some compensation from the cager that gets you. Is that the only choice? What about... taking the bus? Train? Driving? Seriously. Stay off the streets during business hours and live! If I felt that vehicular cycling were that loaded with risk that I needed a camera to document my exemplary road behavior and other road users' incompetence... my SO would not let me go out there on a bicycle.

Nor would I need her disapproval to inform that part of my brain occupied with self-preservation that maybe the better course of action is to seek out safer means of getting to work. Come on you guys.. Cycling in traffic has its risks but cameras are a stupid response to them. Know how I know... because the riders that have cameras don't win settlements any more often than riders without cameras. Look it up. If you want the cameras to show the defense just how badly you screwed up then yes, they are a great tool. If what you really want is proof of your innocence, the best strategy is still to rely on the mercy of the court. Not that there is all that much mercy available for cyclists! That might be the best reason of all to just stay above the fray and take a taxi. If there is an even chance that you could wind up seriously maimed out there... don't do it. It isn't worth the pain and suffering no matter how much money you win.

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Old 03-30-16, 11:08 AM
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I looked down through this thread but didn't see the type of camera you purchased. The type would have an impact on mounting suggestions.
SVC200 - I think ItsJustMe recommended it a while back, and I finally got around to getting one. It's fairly compact, and lightweight.
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Stay off the streets during business hours and live! If I felt that vehicular cycling were that loaded with risk that I needed a camera to document my exemplary road behavior and other road users' incompetence... my SO would not let me go out there on a bicycle.
What planet do you live on where drivers don't do things that endanger your life? The only such place I can imagine is where there are no cars.

I have a dashcam in my car also. My car was $30K. A dashcam is $50. If I ever use it in a real accident it could easily pay for itself many times over immediately. Even in normal use, I click the "lock" button if I see a coyote or an eagle or something and can look at that later. Same on my helmet cam.

I enjoy posting YouTube videos of genius drivers. It's a laugh if nothing else, and even if I don't provide evidence for myself, I have in the past witnessed accidents, and if it happens in the future I'll be able to provide video.

Here are some idiots being idiots from my channel. None of them (so far) have been anything that a reasonably skilled cyclist would have any trouble with, but they're fun to review anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJeg5N9eRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwEb-HXOPLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41w2rxrkzTE

Check out this fine example though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGBR0zYLHk

Don't know how that didn't result in a bad accident.
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What planet do you live on where drivers don't do things that endanger your life? The only such place I can imagine is where there are no cars.
Exactly. "Don't go out if there's any way whatsoever you might get hurt." Translation: never ride.

Unfortunately, in order to reach the nice, least congested, biking areas around here, I have to go through several small sections of congestion. A camera is good insurance when all my other defensive/awareness techniques fail.
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I get that you might want to "hide" your camera so you can truly nab dangerous drivers, but I think deterrence (if at all possible) is more important. I'd rather have a reckless and/or cyclist-targeting driver see the camera beforehand, and possibly give a wider-than-normal berth, than for me to catch him and still end up in the ER (or worse). The more cyclists that make it clear they are recording, the safer ALL cyclists will be in the long term. Eventually, many drivers will quietly ask themselves if THIS cyclist might have a camera too ... just my two sense.

By the way, I'm a road (recreation) cyclist. This isn't for commuting. So, the chest mount wouldn't work for my various riding positions.

Another negative is that our state doesn't have forward-facing license plates (I wish they would reconsider this, especially for tailers when I'm driving). So, the rearward-facing camera would only get make/model, and possibly driver, description. That would definitely have a lot of value over just my words (and my memory), but no slam dunk on capturing license plates.
I am 50/50 on the 'deterrence' factor. Because, It may not deter a motorist who could care less about others' on the road.

Edit: I have been looking into a rear-facing camera via a second Chest Mount Strap. My only concern would be, how I would stop the video, and turn the camera off. When I am not on the road.

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What planet do you live on where drivers don't do things that endanger your life? The only such place I can imagine is where there are no cars.
Exactly. There is a baseline of risk such has existed ever since there have been cars. Looooong before the first video camera was invented let alone cameras small enough to mount on a bicycle helmet. And? Cyclists have been killed by drivers against which the evidence was so overwhelming that no video evidence would have helped any more than the bare facts. And what... slap on the wrist. And even if a camera did help someone get a large amount of money... well... it just shows where some people's priorities are. They live their lives looking for the cash settlement in everything they do. Crippled for life but joyous because there is $200k in the bank. No thanks, I'll take my limbs please. And it is easier to keep them intact than one might think. But when you have a camera running I have no doubt that the very empowerment of such a tool encourages bold sallying forth towards that stale yellow rather than a more cautious approach to the intersection.

NONE of your three videos are anything I haven't seen while on the road. None IMO rise to the level of incidents worth recording and posting on a website to illustrate cager cluelessness. Everyday cylists do much worse than these things endangering themselves in the process. Ridiculous. It is all just ridiculous. I was on the train the other day and a cyclist came on with his bicycle. Some high school kids were on the train and they asked him what that thing was on his helmet. Up till that time I had never seen a cyclist with camera out and about. I had, of course, read several posts here documenting the practice but it was interesting to hear this guy start to explain how drivers were murderous psychopaths and a cyclist had to have a camera to record their actions. The kids were not convinced, or impressed. They laughed and some wondered if maybe this guy shouldn't just take the train all the time instead of riding a bike around if he had to have a camera running to do it.

Out of the mouth of babes. That last link is pretty pulse raising isn't it. But at least he passed you with the requisite 3' right? I mean... he could have slid past you with 6" between you and you would be livid. He takes his life in his hands as well as that of strangers in oncoming traffic and you are still annoyed. Oh... he should have simply stayed behind you until it was "safe" to pass. And if that happy occasion should take five minutes to happen... what? Where's the hurry?
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Exactly. There is a baseline of risk such has existed ever since there have been cars. Looooong before the first video camera was invented let alone cameras small enough to mount on a bicycle helmet. And? Cyclists have been killed by drivers against which the evidence was so overwhelming that no video evidence would have helped any more than the bare facts. And what... slap on the wrist. And even if a camera did help someone get a large amount of money... well... it just shows where some people's priorities are. They live their lives looking for the cash settlement in everything they do. Crippled for life but joyous because there is $200k in the bank. No thanks, I'll take my limbs please. And it is easier to keep them intact than one might think. But when you have a camera running I have no doubt that the very empowerment of such a tool encourages bold sallying forth towards that stale yellow rather than a more cautious approach to the intersection.

NONE of your three videos are anything I haven't seen while on the road. None IMO rise to the level of incidents worth recording and posting on a website to illustrate cager cluelessness. Everyday cylists do much worse than these things endangering themselves in the process. Ridiculous. It is all just ridiculous. I was on the train the other day and a cyclist came on with his bicycle. Some high school kids were on the train and they asked him what that thing was on his helmet. Up till that time I had never seen a cyclist with camera out and about. I had, of course, read several posts here documenting the practice but it was interesting to hear this guy start to explain how drivers were murderous psychopaths and a cyclist had to have a camera to record their actions. The kids were not convinced, or impressed. They laughed and some wondered if maybe this guy shouldn't just take the train all the time instead of riding a bike around if he had to have a camera running to do it.

Out of the mouth of babes. That last link is pretty pulse raising isn't it. But at least he passed you with the requisite 3' right? I mean... he could have slid past you with 6" between you and you would be livid. He takes his life in his hands as well as that of strangers in oncoming traffic and you are still annoyed. Oh... he should have simply stayed behind you until it was "safe" to pass. And if that happy occasion should take five minutes to happen... what? Where's the hurry?
I have no idea why you're posting on this thread, or your point. "Don't ride, and you are all money-grubbing cyclists ", um, ok, suuuure.. Thanks for the tip.
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I have a Contour Roam 2 on my helmet facing forward, but I plan to put one on my back pack at some point. I mostly like to document my rides incase something out of the ordinary happens, good or bad.

I have been toying with the idea of using my old take-a-look mirror in such a way to split the screen with a forward and reverse view. The first problem I anticipate is that if I look left, the rear view will shift right.
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I decided on forward facing. I am not so worried about the "big one", rather ultra close passes at speed or taunting/throwing objects, so I use a rear camera and a Zefal bar mirror. Every car approaching from the rear gets a glance in the mirror and if their wheels are not where they should be, then I plan my exit strategy off road. I like the front as it faces speed limit signs and captures license plates, people's actions, etc...

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Originally Posted by lineinthewater View Post
I have no idea why you're posting on this thread, or your point. "Don't ride, and you are all money-grubbing cyclists ", um, ok, suuuure.. Thanks for the tip.
Seriously, is that all you took away from my two posts? I'm beginning to understand... ...
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I don't know... it just might be that cycling in traffic is fraught with risk, and sooner or later... ... so best have a video camera running so your next of kin have some good tools to work with in getting some compensation from the cager that gets you. Is that the only choice? What about... taking the bus? Train? Driving? Seriously. Stay off the streets during business hours and live! If I felt that vehicular cycling were that loaded with risk that I needed a camera to document my exemplary road behavior and other road users' incompetence... my SO would not let me go out there on a bicycle.
Well, That is YOU, NOT NECESSARILY OTHERS. Also, Cyclists' are not the only ones' in traffic, using a camera. The police use a dashcam in their cruisers' and SUVs'. People use a camera in their vehicle. I guess you consider motorists' stupid for using a camera in their vehicle, and the police stupid for using bodycams. I not only do not drive for medical reasons. I choose not to drive. Because I can get somewhere faster on my bike. Than I can by local public transportation.
Originally Posted by Leisesturm;18649204Nor would I need her disapproval to inform that part of my brain occupied with self-preservation that maybe the better course of action is to seek out safer means of getting to work. Come on you guys. Cycling in traffic has its risks but cameras are a stupid response to them. Know how I know... because the riders that have cameras don't win settlements any more often than riders without cameras. Look it up. If you want the cameras to show the defense just how badly [B
you[/B] screwed up then yes, they are a great tool. If what you really want is proof of your innocence, the best strategy is still to rely on the mercy of the court. Not that there is all that much mercy available for cyclists! That might be the best reason of all to just stay above the fray and take a taxi. If there is an even chance that you could wind up seriously maimed out there... don't do it. It isn't worth the pain and suffering no matter how much money you win.
You obviously don't ride a bike AT ALL!!! I am ecologically smart!!! You need to see videos'. Where the video has been used to cite/convict someone.

Not everyone can afford using a taxi on a regular basis.

You are still ignorant, about being a smart cyclist.

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