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"Those Bicyclists Blow Right Through Red Lights!"

Old 09-11-16, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Nope. He blows right through the intersection. Well, 12-15 mph "blowing through".
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Old 09-12-16, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gear64 View Post
You are correct in absolute terms, but part of the theme of this thread is perceptions towards cyclists. It's not the fact that he was going slow in general. It's that he used the sidewalk to bypass dozens of cars, then decided he would switch to the street while the sidewalk was still available, causing many cars that otherwise would have made the light to wait another cycle. Maybe the gridlock continued, maybe it didn't, but to folks trying to get home there's hope that things free up some beyond that light. Still a dick move in my opinion. Cyclists want the road, but not the rules. He's fortunate not to have gotten hit by the lead car. From that car's perspective he came from nowhere.
Along with Genec's comment; over the years, I have had motorist illegally pull onto the shoulder on a downhill section to make right hand turns way down the road. They have caused me real delays in my commute, while the cyclist you and other motorist friends are triggered over, caused no actual delays.

If the cyclist was illegally riding on the sidewalk, fine, but if the sidewalk riding was legal, then the motorist should shut up, smarten up and start cycle commuting, using a bicycle to its full legal advantage.
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Old 09-12-16, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
I have exactly the opposite view. With a little experience and a little study of the maps, I find Fort Worth residential streets to be very good for bicycle navigation.
Yeah, I probably just need to explore a little more from a two-wheel perspective.
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Old 09-12-16, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
So is it a "dick move" when motorists block the bike lane so they can eventually make a right turn on red? No, I don't mean move into the BL to make a legal right turn, I mean cut into the BL well ahead of the turn, so they can pass cars on the right several hundred yards before the actual turn, and in doing so, block the BL from cyclists?

This was a regular move by motorists on Genesee Road south bound approaching Governor Drive in San Diego. The MV traffic always backed up the hill to the last cross street, Nobel. A cyclist moving at only 8MPH would cover that mile in minutes, whereas a motorist could take about a half an hour... motorists would often move right into the BL long before the turn at Governor and block the BL from cyclists.
People in cars *and* people on bicycles mad at Peter King.

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Old 09-12-16, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
This is a common statement made by motorists about bicyclists. I contend this virtually never happens.About the only time I see anything close to this happening is on the streets of Manhattan
really? come visit Boston & Cambridge!
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Old 09-12-16, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
People in cars *and* people on bicycles mad at Peter King.

"People. Were. Furious. Though the post received many retweets and likes, it generated many more angry responses from San Diegans, cyclists and pretty much anyone who thinks the rules of the road are not voluntary."

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Well good...

And yes, I have seen SDPD become involved... I recall one situation where a motorcycle cop parked on a bit of triangle buffer area and started pulling cars over that were in the BL... signaling cyclists to just keep going. He didn't ticket the motorists, he just redirected them back into the MV traffic.

From the saddle of my bike, it was just so cool to watch as I slowly approached my turn... impeded by the cars in front of me. This was on a 50MPH road, that was just clogged to capacity with single passenger cars... meanwhile cyclists where just trying to get on by...

Bottom line, cyclists rarely cause any real delays in traffic... the real delays are caused by all the single passenger motor vehicles that fill the streets twice a day.
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Old 09-12-16, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Yeah, I probably just need to explore a little more from a two-wheel perspective.
There's also a fair amount of tribal knowledge you get from talking to other riders.
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Old 09-12-16, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
There's also a fair amount of tribal knowledge you get from talking to other riders.
True, dat. I've learned a lot from chattering with you and other folks at group rides. My bumbling around on my own or relying on Google maps and street view have been very hit or miss... lots of misses, like that thing a couple of weeks ago with Altamesa to Lakeside near Pecan Valley golf course. Yikes.
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Old 09-13-16, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
really? come visit Boston & Cambridge!
Are many of the bicyclists supposedly running red lights getting hit? Why not? Drivers in Boston and Cambridge are terrible. It can't be because the drivers are so good.
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Old 09-13-16, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
Are many of the bicyclists supposedly running red lights getting hit? Why not? Drivers in Boston and Cambridge are terrible. It can't be because the drivers are so good.
Or maybe running red lights in a careful manner is not as dangerous as some people think. Just a random thought.
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Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
Or maybe running red lights in a careful manner is not as dangerous as some people think. Just a random thought.
If you watch the JoeyBike videos (like the one I posted upthread a few posts), it looks crazy- lane splitting, running red lights, but if you watch you can see a lot of calculated maneuvers. I think that if you understand how motor traffic behaves at intersections, and understand a little human nature, you can "blow through" red lights with apparent abandon but relative safety. If you understand the rules followed by traffic, but don't commit to following them yourself, you can navigate among the cars pretty nimbly by following your own rules. You better pay attention though or you'll get squished.

I'm reminded of traffic in Rome, Italy. To American eyes it looks crazy, but after some observation the unwritten rules of the road emerge. They don't follow the laws like we do at intersections and staying in lanes, but they know what the local norms are and people are largely consistent. So it works.
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Old 09-13-16, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
Are many of the bicyclists supposedly running red lights getting hit? Why not? Drivers in Boston and Cambridge are terrible. It can't be because the drivers are so good.
Yes. Around here, roughly:

1/4 bicycle accidents with injuries are because of aggressive people and/or distracted people DRIVING motor vehicles. (Most people are not aggressive btw. But the ones who are, ARE.)
1/4 bicycle accidents with injuries are from people in cars saying SMIDSY. (Sorry Mate I Didn't See You.)
1/4 bicycle accidents with injuries are DOORING (People in cars not looking, cyclists trying to stay out of the way of the above, or even being bullied there.)
1/4 bicycle accidents with injuries are from people on bicycles running stop signs and red lights.

You won't want to believe that of course.

Because Boston (and Our Fair City - Cambridge - MA) drivers are so predictably unpredictable, everyone has to watch out to deal with the (somewhat predictable) conditions. We are simultaneously "so bad" that we are "sort of good."

So, what would result in a crash in many places "only" ends up with a slam on the brakes and maybe lay on the horn event, or a dodge-em. It often takes two oblivions to come together in a crash.

BTW, it's totally possible to obey the law *and* be safe around here - while driving a car, while riding a bike, or while walking. Pointing to the scofflaws and emulating them bends us away from where lots of us would like to be.

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Old 09-13-16, 10:29 AM
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Are many of the bicyclists supposedly running red lights getting hit? Why not? Drivers in Boston and Cambridge are terrible. It can't be because the drivers are so good.
where do you live?
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Old 09-14-16, 01:46 PM
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where do you live?
In a semi-rural/suburban area in the Northeast US.
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We'll see what happens

New bill would let bicyclists roll through stop signs - The San Diego Union-Tribune
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Its ludicrous to think cyclist is or should be treated like any other vehicle.
Yet many cyclists spend half their time protesting that they are.
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Proud of my city (New Orleans) for not requiring tedious legislation on this matter. NOPD has better things to do and are always short handed. Never heard of anyone here getting a citation for rolling a stop sign safely on a bicycle. Even right in plain view of NOPD. They do not care.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Proud of my city (New Orleans) for not requiring tedious legislation on this matter. NOPD has better things to do and are always short handed. Never heard of anyone here getting a citation for rolling a stop sign safely on a bicycle. Even right in plain view of NOPD. They do not care.
Joey,

here the cops are even more supportive. I treat red lights and stop signs as unmarked intersections, ie. check for cross traffic and proceed if/when safe.

But if there's a police car there I'll stop and wait with them. Over half the time, the officer will crank down his window and ask me what I'm waiting for.

Around here (except in parts of NYC proper) the police are very happy to let bicyclists stay below the radar until/unless they make nuisances of themselves.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Proud of my city (New Orleans) for not requiring tedious legislation on this matter. NOPD has better things to do and are always short handed. Never heard of anyone here getting a citation for rolling a stop sign safely on a bicycle. Even right in plain view of NOPD. They do not care.
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Those stops were not about traffic issues per se. More an exercise in profiling, screening, and "legally" harassing a certain type of person. But technically...you got me!
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Those stops were not about traffic issues per se. More an exercise in profiling, screening, and "legally" harassing a certain type of person. But technically...you got me!
Technically, your back yard. And your front yard.

(But yes, the article was really talking about east of City Park, wasn't it?)

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