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Old 06-10-16, 04:47 PM
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Reset Your "Safety Nanny" Thermostat Here...

I enjoy the A&S board. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's maddening, and some times it just leaves me shaking my head. There is so much worry in here about helmets, no brake fixies, pickup trucks, dead cyclist memorials, and a lot of other hand-wringing that I felt it would be nice to re-set everyone's safety thermostat.

Here is a little 13 minute video that illustrates exactly what is possible when you put a human being on a bicycle who knows how to handle one, and how every little digression or "blown" red light does not result in immediate death for the cyclist or anyone else for that matter. In fact, it will seem almost impossible for a cyclist who is paying attention to get killed on a bike after watching this.

I'm betting most here won't make it through the first five minutes.

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My wife asked me to stop riding like that back when she was pregnant with our son.

She happened to be on the same street I was as we were both returning home... she from grocery shopping and me from the office. She was behind me and later told me she could not believe how I dodged cars and just zipped about.

That was 30 years ago.

Now consider this... do we have to ride like Lucas to survive on the streets? That is probably the most pertinent question.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Now consider this... do we have to ride like Lucas to survive on the streets? That is probably the most pertinent question.
Of course not. But if everyone operating a vehicle of any sort paid attention to their surroundings like those messengers there would be a lot less accidents.

I have been taking it easy lately, but I still focus on the task at hand as if I my life depended on it. Wait.......it actually DOES.
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I made it through the first 2 minutes... Then decided this is crap... Total crap... Maybe 1% of the people can ride like that, and "get away with it". The rest of us, well it's like watching bikers ride on some trails/tracks doing 360* over dunes, riding on logs across creeks, elevated wooden trails... Fail in every way IMO for the average rider...
Not even close to possible for 99% of the people out here/anywhere without major injury much sooner than later... Again, JMO

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I thought you gave up all unnecessary riding on the roads (or something to that affect) because you said it was now too dangerous out there thanks to cell phone obsession.
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Originally Posted by 350htrr View Post
I made it through the first 2 minutes... Then decided this is crap... Total crap... Maybe 1% of the people can ride like that, and "get away with it". The rest of us, well it's like watching bikers ride on some trails/tracks doing 360* over dunes, riding on logs across creeks, elevated wooden trails... Fail in every way IMO for the average rider...
Not even close to possible for 99% of the people out here/anywhere without major injury much sooner than later... Again, JMO
That's a pretty low opinion of most cyclists' abilities you hold there. Sure, many folks' accelerations are less and top speeds may be lower too, but there wasn't much going on in the video that any moderately active person shouldn't be able to do, imo. One does need to be able to assess the speeds of other road users and predict their actions as well as have a good handle on one's own skill set, speed and acceleration, but other than that, where's the problem?

That said, like Genec I've long since given up on playing in traffic. In my case, it's mostly because I live where there isn't any traffic to play in, but I likely would have stopped at some point anyway.
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Much of the cyclist behavior in the video is too irresponsible to others in society... especially the pedestrians. Several peds had to take evasive action to avoid the two wheeled scofflaws... one actually was hit and "caught" the cyclist. Good thing he was paying attention.

Even if you want to claim it's plenty safe, (which is questionable) it's certainly not cool.
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Even if you want to claim it's plenty safe, (which is questionable) it's certainly not cool.
The riding is not safe or polite IMO. I just wanted to illustrate what is POSSIBLE at the high end of the skill vs. risk level. No helmet, no brakes, no laws obeyed but no instant death. Most of the footage is of races, not "casual" riding for fun, so this bumps up the risk taking to very high level, well above what most riders, even the ones featured in the film, would be doing on a routine basis day to day.

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I thought you gave up all unnecessary riding on the roads (or something to that affect) because you said it was now too dangerous out there thanks to cell phone obsession.
You don't think I had anything to do with the making of that video do you? Even at my best mayhem level, I never entered a freaking race on an open course. I enjoy watching this stuff but...it's over my head to do it. They have alleycat races in New Orleans. I usually work someone's shift so they can race.

The creation of over 100 miles of bike paths/lanes/sharrows in NOLA over the past five years paved the way (pun intended) for me to retire from serious traffic jamming during my commute. As for recreational riding...sold the road bike...I am done. Not riding one extra unnecessary mile.

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
That's a pretty low opinion of most cyclists' abilities you hold there. Sure, many folks' accelerations are less and top speeds may be lower too, but there wasn't much going on in the video that any moderately active person shouldn't be able to do, imo. One does need to be able to assess the speeds of other road users and predict their actions as well as have a good handle on one's own skill set, speed and acceleration, but other than that, where's the problem?

That said, like Genec I've long since given up on playing in traffic. In my case, it's mostly because I live where there isn't any traffic to play in, but I likely would have stopped at some point anyway.
Anyone that needs to even ask that question, Is part of the "problem" IMO... Like I said in my examples of the type of bike riding out there in videos... If you are a good rider you should be able to do 360* flips, ride across laid down tree trunks and cross chasms, ride on suspended trails... And if one fails at that, there seems to be something wrong with ones riding abilities...
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Old 06-10-16, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
Here is a little 13 minute video that illustrates exactly what is possible when you put a human being on a bicycle who knows how to handle one, and how every little digression or "blown" red light does not result in immediate death for the cyclist or anyone else for that matter. In fact, it will seem almost impossible for a cyclist who is paying attention to get killed on a bike after watching this.

I'm betting most here won't make it through the first five minutes.
I'm not going to call cyclists that run full speed through red lights. A few road rashes. Cut between lanes of traffic and over rail tracks, jumping onto sidewalks.... all a good cyclist?

Luck will catch up with those riders.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
The riding is not safe or polite IMO. I just wanted to illustrate what is POSSIBLE at the high end of the skill vs. risk level. No helmet, no brakes, no laws obeyed but no instant death. Most of the footage is of races, not "casual" riding for fun, so this bumps up the risk taking to very high level, well above what most riders, even the ones featured in the film, would be doing on a routine basis day to day.



You don't think I had anything to do with the making of that video do you? Even at my best mayhem level, I never entered a freaking race on an open course. I enjoy watching this stuff but...it's over my head to do it. They have alleycat races in New Orleans. I usually work someone's shift so they can race.

The creation of over 100 miles of bike paths/lanes/sharrows in NOLA over the past five years paved the way (pun intended) for me to retire from serious traffic jamming during my commute. As for recreational riding...sold the road bike...I am done. Not riding one extra unnecessary mile.
Ok, thanks for the clarification.

I too sometimes like to watch these video's, (and yes I watched this one in its entirety) but I always end up getting PO'd at the riders for being so inconsiderate to other road users. Like I said, that part is not cool.

I do agree that riding is not "instant death". Even with todays cell phone distracted drivers. Therefore I have no intention of ever giving it up.

Just like the outlaw racers in the video's, it's up to us more conservative riders to pay proper attention and keep ourselves safe.
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Not really cool to force others to brake or step out of your way when they have the right of way, simply to avoid crushing your dumb ass; and then claim it was all because of how well you pay attention to your surroundings.

It is even worse when they whine about not having medical insurance to cover their bills after they smashed into another vehicle or pedestrian.
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Well, that's the first time I've seen anyone claiming spiritual ranking based on their street skillz. Riding like a dumbass doesn't make you a sage, it just makes you a dumbass.
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Well, that's the first time I've seen anyone claiming spiritual ranking based on their street skillz. Riding like a dumbass doesn't make you a sage, it just makes you a dumbass.
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I liked the part (~6-minutes in) where the cyclists running a light got hit.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I enjoy the A&S board. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's maddening, and some times it just leaves me shaking my head. There is so much worry in here about helmets, no brake fixies, pickup trucks, dead cyclist memorials, and a lot of other hand-wringing that I felt it would be nice to re-set everyone's safety thermostat.

Here is a little 13 minute video that illustrates exactly what is possible when you put a human being on a bicycle who knows how to handle one, and how every little digression or "blown" red light does not result in immediate death for the cyclist or anyone else for that matter. In fact, it will seem almost impossible for a cyclist who is paying attention to get killed on a bike after watching this.

I'm betting most here won't make it through the first five minutes.

Everyone rides different. Personally, I'm too old to play Russian Roulette on a bicycle like the folks in the video. But, if I was still in my 20's. I'd probably see the thrill in this.

I'm happy keeping my rubber on the ground and pushing my limits without dodging cars or walkers.
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I only watched a couple of minutes, and I came to a quick conclusion that this film is great example of showing a complete lack of consideration for other road users. I suspect that this person hasn't yet heeded the saying, "There are the bold , and there are the old, but very, very few old and bold".

Even Joey has mentioned that he has quit while he was ahead.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
As for recreational riding...sold the road bike...I am done. Not riding one extra unnecessary mile.
How sad.

I hope to be recreational riding the rest of my life. What ends many cyclists enjoyment are all the risks associated in a normal ride. All you need is one or more harrowing events to change your life forever. I suspect this happened to Joey. The OP did not realize all those risks he was taking in the streets were doing cumulative damage in his mind. In my opinion, he might have mitigated many of them by simply altering his riding style but now it's too late. He ruined the cycling experience in his mind forever to the point where recreational riding is no longer enjoyable but an activity to be feared. This is why I ride safe and slow. You have my condolences.

Thanks for the video, I did enjoy it. But not for me!
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How sad.

I hope to be recreational riding the rest of my life. What ends many cyclists enjoyment are all the risks associated in a normal ride. All you need is one or more harrowing events to change your life forever. I suspect this happened to Joey. The OP did not realize all those risks he was taking in the streets were doing cumulative damage in his mind. In my opinion, he might have mitigated many of them by simply altering his riding style but now it's too late. He ruined the cycling experience in his mind forever to the point where recreational riding is no longer enjoyable but an activity to be feared. This is why I ride safe and slow. You have my condolences.

Thanks for the video, I did enjoy it. But not for me!
Could be a cycling version of PTSD where an individual played at going to war on the mean streets or resetting the "safety nanny thermostat" once too often.

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Much of the cyclist behavior in the video is too irresponsible to others in society... especially the pedestrians.
Even if you want to claim it's plenty safe, (which is questionable) it's certainly not cool.
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Well, that's the first time I've seen anyone claiming spiritual ranking based on their street skillz. Riding like a dumbass doesn't make you a sage, it just makes you a dumbass.
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I came to a quick conclusion that this film is great example of showing a complete lack of consideration for other road users.
some of my feelings exactly.

we have enough problems with cyclist/driver relationships/interactions without yahoos like this to exacerbate the problems. maybe it's a function of where i live and ride that give me that opinion. i would never/never have to ride in traffic like that. i'm a rider and if i was driving in that video i would be pissed at some of those guys.

it also may have to do with my age. i've never been afraid to get out there on the road and mix it up. i was never afraid to ride any road. these days i'm much more cautious. there are roads now that i will not ride because i feel like i'm taking too big of a risk. I'm older, don't heal as fast and have more obligations now to those i love and support.

as an example, i've been 50+ mph one time (maybe more, just don't remember), 47+ many many times. where I ride there aren't many downhills where it's possible. I used to push hard trying to hit 50. The day before yesterday I went down a hill i hadn't ridden in a long time. i hit 46.9 mph according to my garmin. i never looked while going down the hill. i was shocked at how nervous and scared I felt about half way down the hill (about 1/2 mile total.) i didn't push the pedals at all. coasted all the way and actually sat up to catch some wind. I may never ride down that hill again.
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Got a lot of complex feelings about that short film. I can definitely appreciate the filmmaking and the feeling of connectedness when worming through a crowded, living city like that. There is something to that moment and when it works it looks beautiful. But it does seem selfish. They're not just putting themselves at risk. I assume people who ride like that make their choices and take responsibility for whatever happens to them. But they could still take out a pedestrian, knock someone into traffic, cause drivers to panic and cause a crash.
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Got a lot of complex feelings about that short film. I can definitely appreciate the filmmaking and the feeling of connectedness when worming through a crowded, living city like that. There is something to that moment and when it works it looks beautiful. But it does seem selfish. They're not just putting themselves at risk. I assume people who ride like that make their choices and take responsibility for whatever happens to them. But they could still take out a pedestrian, knock someone into traffic, cause drivers to panic and cause a crash.

Personally, I see it as outright selfishness, no seem about it in my thoughts, and along in being a danger to many other vulnerable road users.
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Personally, I see it as outright selfishness, no seem about it in my thoughts, and along in being a danger to many other vulnerable road users.
I get the same feeling on road trips in a car when I drive exactly the speed limit on Interstate highways and 99% of the other people on the road are driving like those messengers in the video. Two wrongs don't make a right, and I try to keep pedestrians un-involved in my own azzhattery, but for motorists...I see how they act when they have the opportunity to be azzhats. I am not too worried about "offending" motorists.

My old technique of city riding was as fast as I could go with the fewest stops, and so long as no one else has to hit their brakes it's all good. I never did any alleycat races because that is a few level of jerk above my comfort zone. But what is possible fascinates me. I celebrate the human spirit and human physical ability watching others push the limits.
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Could be a cycling version of PTSD where an individual played at going to war on the mean streets or resetting the "safety nanny thermostat" once too often.
Between the crazy motorists on the playing field and the violent criminals on foot lurking on the sidelines, you might be on to something there. Or I just "lost" my nerve when the crazy motorists stopped looking through their windshields. The straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Don't confuse a daring person with a dumb person. Every so often I weigh the costs an benefits of cycling in my city, then try to make an intelligent decision based on the facts as I see them vs. my personal sensibilities.

New Orleans is gentrifying rapidly right now. Getting super expensive to buy property here (glad we own our house) and the rough neighborhoods are slowly disappearing. 99% of those "poor" people are hard working, law abiding citizens, and it is a shame they are getting priced out of their neighborhoods, but I will not miss the other 1% that will also disappear. Maybe 10 years from now things will be different (less criminals, different cell phone protocol) and I will go back to recreational cycling.
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I appreciate good riding skills, but these guys are not showing so much as a high degree of personal skill, rather they are showing a high degree in confidence that the motorists are concerned for their lives and thus they are relying on the skills of the motorists to not hit them.
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