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Old 07-17-16, 07:29 AM
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Give Me A Break

Just a couple of little observations from yesterday's little ride. I'm approaching an intersection at which i am going to turn right. The roads have nice shoulders for me to ride upon. I check traffic coming from the left. I see an 1980's vintage Lincoln Town Car approaching the intersection with its left turn indicator blinking. I make my right turn and continue. The Lincoln Town Car with Blinker flashing AND Florida plates passes and continues down the road for as far as I can see him with that left turn blinker proudly flashing away. And you wonder how stereotypes get started, It was probably Morty Seinfeld, except he has a Cadillac.
Later during the ride, I'm riding on the shoulder, enjoying myself, minding my own business, and I get buzzed. This is why I don't give a **** about motorists when I'm on my bike.No matter how hard I try to stay out of your way, you suck at driving so much that you're still going to engage me.
As I've said many times before, all the riders I know defer to motor vehicles as close to 100% of the time as possible. When we have to take the lane, the drivers get angry, and when we try to stay as far away as possible, they still buzz us.
I got buzzed on the shoulder by a semi from a large local corporation. That would have been a nice payday, lol.
The thing that bothers me about getting buzzed on the shoulder is that there's absolutely no reason for it. I have created a 6-8 ft. buffer as a cyclist. If you have even rudimentary driving skills you should be able to maintain that buffer.
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Old 07-17-16, 08:27 AM
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I personally would have had a video of the semi truck incident, and I would have contacted that corporation and notified them of the incident, with a copy of the videoed incident if they chose in wanting to see it.
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Old 07-17-16, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
When we have to take the lane, the drivers get angry, and when we try to stay as far away as possible, they still buzz us.
I also don't give a bent rusty washer what motorists think about me or "us". I will do whatever it takes to stay off their grills, and my position is reinforced by motorist behavior almost every day. Motorists have a lot of nerve voicing any complaints at all.
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Old 07-17-16, 09:23 AM
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I think it comes down to a certain chunk of the population that only has "rudimentary" driving skills at best. I am currenly driving a truck and camping trailer around the northwest; driving cautiously, planning ahead and signaling well... and the number of drivers that pull stupid moves around me, in spite of the 18 foot camper behind me, is just amazing.

Motorists swooping in front of me and making sudden right turns, motorists approaching from the other direction and suddenly making left turns... and my all time favorite... trying to squeeze past me on the right when a right lane ends... just to name a few dumb driver tricks.
I feel like I am riding my bike... just seeing the same old crap, from a slightly different view.

Don't tell me to "take a lane" as that is all I can do... bottom line there are stupid drivers out there that we really have to watch out for.
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Here's a scary thought, maybe the semi driver didn't see you? Last year on the highway, no shoulder, one came so close to me the turbulence almost blew me off the road.

I passed a cyclist yesterday driving down to the big city, narrow 2 lane no shoulder highway. No one was coming so I went into the other lane. I rarely see cyclists on these roads, you have to be pretty brave.
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Old 07-17-16, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
...I am currenly driving a truck and camping trailer around the northwest; driving cautiously, planning ahead and signaling...
I bet you have no less than 4 rear-view mirrors?

The "problem" with motorists is exacerbated by cyclists who have no idea, and don't care, about what is coming up behind them until there is an issue. I don't understand how any cyclist interested in safety rides on highways without a freaking mirror.

Because you have up to half-a-dozen mirrors on your truck, maybe even a rear-facing camera too, you have the OPPORTUNITY to look out for all the nitwits out there and take some action ahead of time. Otherwise the situation is akin to Russian Roulette.
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Old 07-17-16, 01:04 PM
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I used to drive all over the country on business and possibly the most annoying and dangerous stunt I've seen occurred everywhere in bumper to bumper traffic: That driver who has no sense of appropriate approach speed, rushes up to the rear bumper of the car in front of him/her, then slams on the brakes while simultaneously swerving toward the shoulder of the road to avoid a collision that they would have caused anyway.

I never used to see that particular maneuver until the mid to late 1980s, then suddenly it seemed to appear everywhere. I wondered whether some driver dyseducation school was actually teaching people to do this.

Fortunately only a handful of drivers do this. But the ones who do will do it repeatedly in traffic, never seeming to learn how to modulate their speed to suit conditions, or to simply brake in a straight damned line.

That's the main concern I have about bicycling in traffic, even more than the inattentive or distracted drivers.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I also don't give a bent rusty washer what motorists think about me or "us". I will do whatever it takes to stay off their grills, and my position is reinforced by motorist behavior almost every day. Motorists have a lot of nerve voicing any complaints at all.
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+1

And you gotta have a mirror. Makes reacting to what's around you so much easier.
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Whelp, we're gonna change the subject unfortunately. I am a hyper-aware rider. I use my ears as much as my eyes. I do not use a rear-view mirror. I'm afraid of too many "false positives" so to speak. I'm afraid of diverting my attention from my most important perspective-what's going on in front of me.
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Old 07-17-16, 01:51 PM
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I do not know what you felt that you would get from a "***** and moan" post, complaining about automobile drivers, on a bike forums. Seems like you would do better to complain to an auto forums, if one exists.

If your looking for a solution, personally I have had to deal with metro traffic in the bay area, San Diego, Albuquerque and then Tucson, before I came up with a solution, to move away from the metros and out to the country here in Globe AZ, where I have found roads where you can go for 15- 20 minutes before a car even passes me, and there are virtually no signals/ cross traffic and wide shoulders to boot.
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Old 07-17-16, 01:58 PM
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I do not know what you felt that you would get from a "***** and moan" post, complaining about automobile drivers, on a bike forums. Seems like you would do better to complain to an auto forums, if one exists.

If your looking for a solution, personally I have had to deal with metro traffic in the bay area, San Diego, Albuquerque and then Tucson, before I came up with a solution, to move away from the metros and out to the country here in Globe AZ, where I have found roads where you can go for 15- 20 minutes before a car even passes me, and there are virtually no signals/ cross traffic and wide shoulders to boot.
Dude, seriously! What is the point of an internet forum if you can't ***** & moan? This isn't the Round Table.
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...move away from the metros and out to the country here in Globe AZ, where I have found roads where you can go for 15- 20 minutes before a car even passes me...
Sounds like a great place for an alien abduction.
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Dude, seriously! What is the point of an internet forum if you can't ***** & moan? This isn't the Round Table.
Ha! Fair point!
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You cannot claim to be "hyper aware" if your sight is only focused forward and your only clue at what is coming up behind you is your ears.
Just sayin...
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Re: original post, I would love it if all my vehicle flybys had 6-8 ft buffers. Consider yourself blessed if "you" do.
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Old 07-17-16, 02:52 PM
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You cannot claim to be "hyper aware" if your sight is only focused forward and your only clue at what is coming up behind you is your ears.
Just sayin...
Yeah, I find that cars going in the opposite direction behind me mask the sounds of anything approaching from behind. The more traffic volume, the less useful ears are.
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To me cycling is a multitasking challenge, you have to use your eyes, ears, hands and feet to manage the roadway. For that I need a mirror, some active listening, glances behind me for better views, pro-active riding with what is happening in front of and adjacent to me, and a healthy attitude that accepts my vulnerability on the roadway and acts accordingly.

I find the difference between cyclists and motorcyclists to be very noticeable in this regard. Both groups recognize the weirdness of cars and trucks. But motorcyclists enjoy and embrace the contempt of cars and trucks, while cyclists whine about it.
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Re: original post, I would love it if all my vehicle flybys had 6-8 ft buffers. Consider yourself blessed if "you" do.
The point I was trying to make was that I was creating a potential 6-8ft buffer by my riding position on the shoulder. The cars are encroaching on that buffer by buzzing me on the shoulder.
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
No matter how hard I try to stay out of your way, you suck at driving so much that you're still going to engage me.
I feel this so hard. Sometimes its malice and sometimes is negligence but almost every ride something dangerous happens that is completely unecessary.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
The "problem" with motorists is exacerbated by cyclists who have no idea, and don't care, about what is coming up behind them until there is an issue. I don't understand how any cyclist interested in safety rides on highways without a freaking mirror.
I avoid this concern by riding as far-to-the-right as possible. The rest is up to sensible drivers and God. If someone beeps at me, yes, it is perturbacious, but if I am doing the right thing, it doesn't get under my skin.

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I avoid this concern by riding as far-to-the-right as possible. The rest is up to sensible drivers and God. If someone beeps at me, yes, it is perturbacious, but if I am doing the right thing, it doesn't get under my skin.

But then, do you leave yourself any run off space to the right? Personally I ride in the right wheel track. If a car approaches (and it's safe to pass) I move right to the white line.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
I bet you have no less than 4 rear-view mirrors?

The "problem" with motorists is exacerbated by cyclists who have no idea, and don't care, about what is coming up behind them until there is an issue. I don't understand how any cyclist interested in safety rides on highways without a freaking mirror.

Because you have up to half-a-dozen mirrors on your truck, maybe even a rear-facing camera too, you have the OPPORTUNITY to look out for all the nitwits out there and take some action ahead of time. Otherwise the situation is akin to Russian Roulette.
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Yup, 4 actually... but all they do is let me watch the idiots make the dumb moves... there is no way I can "bail out."

There is very little chance for me to prevent a right hook, or left hook, or stop that idiot coming up on the right in an ending lane... mass and inertia are not on my side.

Just seeing the lack of planning, the lack of turn signals, and the total lack of courtesy and disregard for fellow road users is just astonishing.

I suspect some long haul truckers see this stuff all the time. No it isn't all the driving public that is like this... but all it takes is just a few, scattered here and there, to create havoc for all the rest of us. I notice the same thing cycling... most folks "get it," but that 10% or so can just be _ _ _ _ _... and the rest of us just have to put up with it.

On the more amusing side are the left lane "suicide trains..." the folks driving far too close, just a bit too fast, hanging in the left lane... as if getting home 3 minutes earlier is worth the risk and stress.

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I avoid this concern by riding as far-to-the-right as possible. The rest is up to sensible drivers and God.


Well...I don't believe either of those things are very commonly found on busy highways, so I use a mirror. I see enough wooden crosses sprouting up out of the ground along our state and Interstate highways that I believe God (if there is such a thing) uses our highway systems as recruiting tools.

I would also humbly hope (and pray) that with all of the c**p going on in the world right now that God would be finding something better to do than keeping an eye on someone like me needlessly playing in traffic on my bicycle. Just look around the A&S thread. There is not much evidence of supernatural vehicular intervention out there.

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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
I used to drive all over the country on business and possibly the most annoying and dangerous stunt I've seen occurred everywhere in bumper to bumper traffic: That driver who has no sense of appropriate approach speed, rushes up to the rear bumper of the car in front of him/her, then slams on the brakes while simultaneously swerving toward the shoulder of the road to avoid a collision that they would have caused anyway.
Actually, if it's something sudden, I often take to the shoulder whether I need the space or not, because one time when I did need the space, (topped a rise on I-45 to find stopped traffic in both lanes) the F350 behind me hit the Ram 1500 I ducked around. My Suzuki Swift would have been about 2' long had I stayed in the lane. Since then, it's just been habit to apply some lateral evasion where space is available in a panic stop situation.
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On this mirror issue; setting aside the obvious advantages for a moment, there is a reason most riders don't utilize them.
I'm sure comfort, convenience, durability and maintenance are possible reasons. Those can be overcome.

Do some riders also think that the distraction of attention away from the front, and the possibility you may misinterpret what you see in that small mirror are problems?

I think the mirrors could potentially make me less safe. I could see myself spending an inordinate amount of time checking the mirror. I could see myself avoiding dangers that aren't really there. It would clearly divert my attention away from what is in front of me.

A huge risk in my area would be not seeing a pothole in front of me because I was looking in my mirror.
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