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Old 08-10-16, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
That's the difference between the flirty waitress and the stranger slapping the girl's butt, and everyone minimizing the incident needs to understand it. Males are typically more powerful physically. The woman may not be capable of resisting well enough to escape. She doesn't know this man, what he's capable of or what he intends. Of course it's threatening to her.
How many people chase down those who are threatening them? She felt offended not threatened.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
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That's the difference between the flirty waitress and the stranger slapping the girl's butt, and everyone minimizing the incident needs to understand it. .....
Nobody (that I noticed) is minimizing anything. (see my post No.15 for my opinion)

The guy is a jerk, plain and simple, and nobody is defending him. But not every act is a cause. We need to maintain a sense of perspective and proportion.

Those making strawman arguments, inaccurately accusing others of "minimizing the incident" need to understand also.
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Old 08-10-16, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
Nobody (that I noticed) is minimizing anything.
Read this thread again. Notice what you didn't notice.

SMH.

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Originally Posted by GravelMN View Post
Slapping someone on the butt, especially a stranger of the opposite sex, could definitely be considered an assault.
So retro! There's no such thing as "opposite", any more!
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Originally Posted by GravelMN View Post
How would you react if some strange guy put his hand on your ass?
Well, I'd certainly make him stop, but I wouldn't engage law enforcement, or the media, if that was the end of it.

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Also, to those who don't think it's an assault: If I walked up to you on the street and slapped your face, you would call it assault, so why is it any different if someone randomly slaps a woman on a different part of her body?
If I can, I'll stop laughing long enough to ask you "WTF?", but, I'm still not calling the police. If you had a wiener dog with you, though, I won't be able to stop laughing, so you can just sashay on!
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
How many people chase down those who are threatening them? She felt offended not threatened.
Agreed. That's the "feminism" component. She wasn't threatened, at all, and was not reacting out of fear. She intended to make an example out of this man, and put him in his place. The world is changing. The meek are inheriting.
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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
Read this thread again. Notice what you didn't notice.

SMH.

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I put the (that I noticed) there just for you --- and it worked.

But it doesn't change the intent of the post, which is that blowing this out of proportion with strawman comparisons is just as bad as "minimizing".
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
The guy is a jerk, plain and simple, and nobody is defending him. But not every act is a cause. We need to maintain a sense of perspective and proportion.
This. If you want a 'cause' it would be far better to improve road safety by getting people to stop texting while driving. Texting in a car does far more harm to society than a random tap on the ass/back.
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Originally Posted by kevindsingleton View Post
Agreed. That's the "feminism" component. She wasn't threatened, at all, and was not reacting out of fear. She intended to make an example out of this man, and put him in his place. The world is changing. The meek are inheriting.
And that was an appropriate response. He will either learn and not do it again or continue to be an ******* like many others in the world we have to get along with every day.
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
And that was an appropriate response. He will either learn and not do it again or continue to be an ******* like many others in the world we have to get along with every day.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but life's not better because of overly-sensitive p*ssies.
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Old 08-10-16, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
Nobody (that I noticed) is minimizing anything. (see my post No.15 for my opinion)

The guy is a jerk, plain and simple, and nobody is defending him. But not every act is a cause. We need to maintain a sense of perspective and proportion.

Those making strawman arguments, inaccurately accusing others of "minimizing the incident" need to understand also.
Comparing it to a flirty waitress is minimizing it. Saying that it should have "some" consequence, but is so far below a criminal act is minimizing it. Several people, including you, have gone down that road.

Any act within these parameters IS a cause: threatening or unwanted physical contact that cause her to fear physically, along with the realistic capability of following through. You can look for perspective and proportion all you want, as long as it's all proportional to the perspective of criminal assault because that's the reality.
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
How many people chase down those who are threatening them? She felt offended not threatened.
You can read this very forum and yet question that? All of the chasing down and banging on windows and video recording, after a car threatened them?

You don't know what she felt any more than I or anyone else, but she acted angry, not "offended". Anger is a typical response to being threatened. It is much more reasonable than any of these minimizing guesses, such as "she was offended".
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Comparing it to a flirty waitress is minimizing it. Saying that it should have "some" consequence, but is so far below a criminal act is minimizing it. Several people, including you, have gone down that road.

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Yes, comparing it to a flirty waitress is making light of it, which is why I posted my facetious response to that.

OTOH - comparing it to an officer doing it under cover of a badge is exaggerating it.

Trying to assign what I feel is (an opinion) appropriate weight to it, (someplace between the waitress and cop) is just what it is, not minimizing nor blowing it out of proportion. I understand we disagree on the level it (what was described in the OP) rises to, but I never have problems with those I disagree with. My world allows for a wide spectrum of opinion, and you and I live at different places on that spectrum, which is OK in my book.

In any case, what any of us here think doesn't matter. This is a forum, we state what we think, and others do likewise. Readers can agree, disagree or neither. However, we aren't the ones who actually rule on these cases and I, for one, am happy not to have to. So I'll say what I think, respect those who do likewise, and leave it to those who must decide what to do about it.

In any case, this isn't really a bike advocacy issue. If we continue to debate the assault, battery or sexual misconduct aspects, the mods may move to to P&R or some other more appropriate sub-forum.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
In any case, this isn't really a bike advocacy issue.
About half of the people on bicycles (more if you count their allies) would disagree with you.

Listen to them.

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Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
I'd fathom a guess that about half of the people on bicycles (more if you count their allies) would disagree with you.

Listen to them.

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Why?

Does everybody always have to agree with a majority opinion (if there is one)?

Even if I'm a minority or one, I don't feel compelled to change my mind.

In any case, the debate on this thread isn't about bicycles, it's about a slap on a butt which just happened to occur on bicycles. Whether you or I or or others (majority or minority) believe this is fodder for A&S or P&R doesn't matter. What the mods think does, so I'm happy to leave that to them.
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The real tragedy is that this poor girl is probably losing sleep over this and may decide to abandon cycling. With a bit more resilience she could have shed this perceived trauma and gone on with her life.
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The fact that he was a cyclist would be irrelevant to a normal person.
So you believe it is OK and a none issue if you slap any unknown woman on the ass. You really are crude.
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
It's debateable (sp) whether it's even possible to slap someone on the ass while their sitting on a bike. I think he tapped her on her lower back and she over-reacted.
Your so uncoordinated that you could not slap this woman on the ass?
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I believe her response is appropriate. She confronted him verbally. Reporting to the police is appropriate. What if this guy has a pattern of behavior whereby he's riding around looking for women on bikes so he can get his jollies by slapping them on their butts. Most people would think he's a pervert if he is doing that. The police wouldn't know this if they don't have multiple reports. The pictures help the police ID him.

As far as the media is concerned, mostly likely, they heard it through police reports and/or scanners and then contacted her. It's how they get much of their news.
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Definitely not molestation. It's debateable whether it's even possible to slap someone on the ass while their sitting on a bike. I think he tapped her on her lower back and she over-reacted. Cyclists do it all the time while riding in groups with no sexual connotations. For all we know she could have been swerving into his path and he put a hand on her to let her know he was there.
Yes, it's well known that women, being emotional creatures, are incapable of telling where they have been slapped. They frequently confuse their lower back with their ass. Your conclusion that she had over-reacted is undoubtedly one arising from a rigorous analysis of the story - leaving aside the fact that he said he did it "because she was too slow". Perhaps he also had difficulty in telling the difference between her being too slow and serving into his path.

Have you thought of taking up a career in writing fiction?

Oh, by the way, my wife was also assaulted in this fashion - you probably don't know her, but I look forward to your assessment of why she was mistaken. The fact that we live n the UK should be no bar to your ineffable insight into such things.
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Unwanted touching is criminal assault in many jurisdictions, including Ottowa. If found guilty, the man is criminal.
This is Canada you are talking about where the first offender ( killer) will serve few years in jail max . Good luck try to get justice from that man .
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Have you thought of taking up a career in writing fiction?
He has no original ideas. Does not lead to a good fiction writer career. He is on par with most movie critics, and might be successful in that endeavor.
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He has no original ideas?
Are you a psychiatrist or more specifically his psychiatrist? Or maybe his biographer?
Very weird thing to say either way bud
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He has no original ideas?
Are you a psychiatrist or more specifically his psychiatrist? Or maybe his biographer?
Very weird thing to say either way bud
Well bud. It was pretty easy for many of us to realize you would get banned.

Some things do not require being a psychiatrist to understand them.
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Well bud. It was pretty easy for many of us to realize you would get banned.

Some things do not require being a psychiatrist to understand them.
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