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Old 09-05-16, 02:36 AM
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Around here, we have sawdust paths for runners, and bike paths for runners, bikes, pedestrians, and geese.

See pedestrians, just slow down and notify them of your presence. Usually when they see or hear a bike, the'll step aside. But, I'm often down to a pace where I can stop on a dime.

No need to run into a curb when one can simply stop.

For streetside paths, when I see someone ahead, I look behind myself, and if clear, I'll pull out into the lane and pass the person.

Ok, so I might silently curse the pedestrians who choose to walk in a streetside bike lane rather than crossing the street to the sidewalk. But I don't loose any sleep over it either. Just safely pass them and keep going.
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Originally Posted by FXjohn View Post
not worth stopping over. I would have just swerved and missed him by inches
Apparently a swerve put the OP right into a curb.
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Old 09-05-16, 07:04 AM
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not worth stopping over. I would have just swerved and missed him by inches
The op tried that, then struck a curb and wiped out as a result.
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Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
The op tried that, then struck a curb and wiped out as a result.
if it was just that narrow I would have just put on the brakes. I don't know,I must be lucky, I don't crash
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Old 09-05-16, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bhchdh View Post
When in this situation I have stopped and made the runners avoid the collision.
This. If you're wearing bright colors and have bright lights they'll be less likely to be a jerk about things as they go past.
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Old 09-05-16, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FXjohn View Post
if it was just that narrow I would have just put on the brakes. I don't know,I must be lucky, I don't crash
Since the runner was coming at me and not bothering to move, I can see myself flying up on him and slamming the brakes at the last second. If I hit him, oh well---I've got a helmet.
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Old 09-05-16, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Reodoc View Post

Anyway, two runners were spanned the width of the bike lane and running lane. I made a gesture for them to slide into their designated lane and they kept course, I slowed down, the runner in the bike lane would have hit me if I didn't swerve. In turn, I hit the curb and slid down along the pavement. I have road burn down my leg and right forearm. As many of our concerns are... the bike appeared to be okay. However, the two runners knew they knocked me over and continued to run.

Is there some sort of tension between runners and cyclists? I tend to be as courteous as possible when riding as I have more to lose being on the bike. Anyone have similar experiences?

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Minneapolis has a complete set of segregated walking and biking trails around the city lakes. Despite this, many, many, runners feel compelled to run on the bike trails. I've never figured out why, when there is a pedestrian path literally feet away. I've trained for marathons on these same pedestrian trails, so I can say from experience that there is NO reason runners need to be on the bike trails.

I've given up getting worked up about it. But I am always prepared to STOP or swerve off of the trail if there are pedestrians/runners on the trail.
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Old 09-05-16, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2 View Post
I don't think I would have moved. That is just me, and maybe that in itself is a jerk move, but if the lanes are clearly marked, and they were approaching you in your lane, then they know better. I am definitely not going to crash into a curb to avoid a runner in the bike lane.
Several years back I was riding my tandem in a bike lane with my wife. In front of us were two joggers in the lane running towards us, dominating the center of the lane. It was clearly a game. Usually folks like this jump onto the sidewalk to pass and no one is inconvenienced. This one was cut from the a-hole cloth. A cyclist ahead of us was forced out into the road by them and I was annoyed.

<disclaimer, I fully realize that what I did was wrong legally, ethically and logically>

I yelled ahead I wasn't moving for him. He yelled he wasn't either. I was ticked, and I was riding a 100 pound Schwinn. I held course. He jumped out of the way at the very last second, but the woman he was running with, who he neglected to take into account, was clipped by us as she jumped on the curb. He came over...we were about to enter a pushy pushy...and my (much) smarter wife intervened and cooled things off. We yelled insults, my wife pushed me back onto the bike and we rode away.

I encountered the same ass (we were riding singles) a couple of weeks later, and he jumped on the curb.

In a lot of years, that was my only really bad encounter. Generally I think runners are getting progressively more assertive (some on the MUP seem to follow the same logic as our transportation meat heads), but it typically hasn't been too much of a problem. That guy was the worst of the bunch.

In short, there are some issues, but not that many. Usually common sense wins out...but when one party, or both, act like an ass, stuff happens.
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Old 09-05-16, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
Several years back I was riding my tandem in a bike lane with my wife. In front of us were two joggers in the lane running towards us, dominating the center of the lane. It was clearly a game. Usually folks like this jump onto the sidewalk to pass and no one is inconvenienced. This one was cut from the a-hole cloth. A cyclist ahead of us was forced out into the road by them and I was annoyed.

<disclaimer, I fully realize that what I did was wrong legally, ethically and logically>

I yelled ahead I wasn't moving for him. He yelled he wasn't either. I was ticked, and I was riding a 100 pound Schwinn. I held course. He jumped out of the way at the very last second, but the woman he was running with, who he neglected to take into account, was clipped by us as she jumped on the curb. He came over...we were about to enter a pushy pushy...and my (much) smarter wife intervened and cooled things off. We yelled insults, my wife pushed me back onto the bike and we rode away.

I encountered the same ass (we were riding singles) a couple of weeks later, and he jumped on the curb.

In a lot of years, that was my only really bad encounter. Generally I think runners are getting progressively more assertive (some on the MUP seem to follow the same logic as our transportation meat heads), but it typically hasn't been too much of a problem. That guy was the worst of the bunch.

In short, there are some issues, but not that many. Usually common sense wins out...but when one party, or both, act like an ass, stuff happens.
lol...with a fully loaded tandem, you clearly would have won that battle.
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Old 09-05-16, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
lol...with a fully loaded tandem, you clearly would have won that battle.
Fat 650b tires...guy was a stooge. I could have hit him head on and kept control. Still, I was wrong as well. Less wrong, but still wrong. It's probably worth mentioning that I've had more problems with other cyclists and lemming like peds than joggers overall. I'm not sure if other folks in urban areas have this, but we've had large groups of obnoxious kids...around 10-20 mostly...deliberately riding like ass holes on streets and MUPs. On MUPs some have been involved in sex assaults and theft. It seems like a prelude to the crap head dirt bikers.

On the one hand, it's great to see groups of kids on bikes....on the other hand, I don't appreciate having to play chicken with the twerps salmoning in lanes and playing games with drivers. I've definitely found it hard to keep cool.

A small part of me hopes she had to go in for a tetanus shot. I try not to listen to that part...but it's there.

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Old 09-05-16, 11:37 AM
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Old 09-05-16, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
Since the runner was coming at me and not bothering to move, I can see myself flying up on him and slamming the brakes at the last second. If I hit him, oh well---I've got a helmet.
damn straight I am not moving out of the way. I run also and i just run off the trail for a moment
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Just to be clear (keeping in mind that this is coming from the guy that got ticked and hit one):

In most states, you have a duty to avoid an accident, regardless of fault/cause.
You could get hurt, you could hurt some one else...hell, if they fall wrong, they could be seriously injured.
There's nothing to gain but pride and ego by playing games with a-holes.
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Old 09-05-16, 01:53 PM
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It's hard to fathom that there are people out there who would rather hit a pedestrian rather than stop or pull to the side. Then many of these same people complain about motorists essentially doing the same thing only under conditions far safer for the driver.
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What I find amazing about this post is that he lives on the Jersey shore and he's shocked that he encountered an @$$hat?. That place is LOADED with them!
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Old 09-05-16, 04:56 PM
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It's hard to fathom that there are people out there who would rather hit a pedestrian rather than stop or pull to the side. Then many of these same people complain about motorists essentially doing the same thing only under conditions far safer for the driver.
Bicyclist rides head-on toward a car by traveling in the center of the lane on the wrong side of the road...I doubt too many people here are going to cry a bunch of tears when someone like that gets hit and winds up dead.
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I would have moved, too. But, I would have gotten out of the bike lane, and 'taken the lane', in the regular travel lane.
I would not have moved. I might have slowed up, maybe even stopped to avoid a collision, but I would have stopped in the bike lane and he would have either run into me (stopped) or left the lane. I would have also suggested that he run in the other lane.
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if he was some fat slob I didn't want touching me I would probably get out of the way. yuck
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It's hard to fathom that there are people out there who would rather hit a pedestrian rather than stop or pull to the side. Then many of these same people complain about motorists essentially doing the same thing only under conditions far safer for the driver.
I can't disagree, but I can say that I don't ride my bike where I'm not supposed to be, forcing traffic changes, and being a schmuck about it either.
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I would not have moved. I might have slowed up, maybe even stopped to avoid a collision, but I would have stopped in the bike lane and he would have either run into me (stopped) or left the lane. I would have also suggested that he run in the other lane.
Regardless of all the discussion about it.

I have continually visualize the configuration of the street, that the OP mentioned. A bike lane and a joggers' lane, next each other, and on the road. I am still confused.
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It's hard to fathom that there are people out there who would rather hit a pedestrian rather than stop or pull to the side. Then many of these same people complain about motorists essentially doing the same thing only under conditions far safer for the driver.
It's hard for me to fathom a ped purposely running right into anything with more mass/speed than they have... a side step is just too easy.
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I think that you just ran into an a-hole.

I'm a runner who loves to ride, and I can tell you, runners respect cyclists, and cyclists respect runners. When I'm running and come across a cyclist, we always wave and when I'm riding and come across a runner, the same occurs.

Runners and cyclists aren't 'enemies.' Cars are the enemies.

The other day I was running down a residential street, that is rarely busy. Two cars came at me. I was running into traffic, one foot from the curb. The first car swerved away from me. Thanks.
The second car swerved towards me. F**k!
The second cars driver was waving me off of the street. I had to jump off of the road to avoid being hit by some tool who didn't think that I had the right to be in the street (I checked with local police, and I am allowed to run in the road).
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Stop in your lane and let them go around you.
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Running must warp your brain. We have a stretch of road through a park that is 4 lanes wide and is closed to vehicles much of the day Saturday and Sunday. There is also a rec path along side the road. Despite all that space, I see lots of runners running against the normal flow of traffic. Others run right down the double yellow line, as if they think they will get lost if they don't follow the line.
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