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Old 09-27-16, 08:00 PM
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call for installing bike lane on NY road.

This is mostly interesting to me because its all over my facebook wall, with acquaintances from this area signing the petition. Some of them keep sending it to me because I cycle.

https://www.change.org/p/ulster-coun...fb_ref=Default

None of them are cyclists, and they mostly seem to be wanting this to get cyclists off "their road".
I did a google satellite look, and it has a much larger shoulder than anything I ride on. Other than being a east/west road with sun in the eyes of drivers at certain times of the day, I cant see whats terrible about it as a road.

Opinions? I am not from that area and dont know the road.
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I haven't been to New Paltz in years, and it's been decades since I was there with a bike. However, I've ridden many of the roads in the area, and the issue isn't the roads per se, but the fact that they connect places where people are to where they're impatient to get to.

Of course, that's true of all roads, but when there's a limited number of roads combined with a state college, and tourist destinations, you get large numbers of people bringing urban rush attitudes to roads not well suited to that. I suspect that 299 is one of those cases. IMO widening makes sense, but I have no idea whether the numbers justify a buffered lane, and should one be built, I wonder about the county's willingness to maintain it effectively.

BTW - there are a numbers of BF members who live in that area, or close by. Hopefully they'll weight in on what it's like to ride that section of 299
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They paved the shoulder on Rt 299 and I hope that it makes riding on the road safer for both cyclist and motorist.
This is why I Mtb, no cars! Even as an enthusiast, I get a little impatient driving behind a group of cyclist going 3 wide and refusing to move over. I would never pass them in an unsafe manner, but the temptation is there and some will act on it.
Of course, if the sun is in your eyes.... be careful out there!
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Heh. Just rode through New Paltz a couple of weeks ago during a tour from Vermont to Philly. Took the bike/ped bridge over the Hudson and then stayed on the trail to the end then took CR 12 to NY 299. 299 east of New Paltz was busy and noisy, but the shoulder made it bearable. Getting through the center of town sucked, and when I crossed the river I was extremely worried about being on 299. You know there's something up when they feel the need to have signs warning motorists that there are bikes in the roadway. I was quite relieved when I realized I would be bearing left onto Libertyville Rd. just west of town and that nearly all the traffic was staying on 299.


BTW...The section of 299 between S. Ohio and Libertyville is on Adventure Cycling's Atlantic Coast route.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz


BTW...The section of 299 between S. Ohio and Libertyville is on Adventure Cycling's Atlantic Coast route.
thats interesting.

not one person I know who linked to this on their facebook pages is a cyclist. So these responses give me some better info when discussing it. I believe that they are all the sort of yay cycling save the world mindset with a NIMBY streak when it comes to the actual implementation.
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Pretty young lady just died on 299 thats why the petition. It is a large shoulder. Route 35 going into NP is worse I remember a professor got badly hurt there 20 years ago and I wouldn't ride that road it's fast curvy and busy at times but 299 isn't bad. 299 is also kind of a connector from the Dutchess MUP to the Walden MUP so it should have at least a wide shoulder. Though MUP riders may or may not go that far. I never rode through town but with backed up traffic and parking there isn't much room on the road. Then you get out the otherside to the scenic idylic mountain road and they'll run you down for being on 'their' road. Just isn't any extra room and high speeds mixed with kind of an open straightaway that most people speed through.

Think the driver was doing something dumb, stopped after, saw the girl was real messed up but then fled. They found her and charged her with leaving the scene at the least.
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Years ago -- at least 2 repavings back -- NY299 west of New Paltz did have shoulders. I don't remember whether, when the shoulders disappeared, the road's overall width remained the same with wider travel lanes or whether the paved width was narrowed.

Contrasting / comparing: east of New Paltz, between the NY thruway (I87) and US 9W, NY299 has wide shoulders; also, there are parallel (well, somewhat parallel) alternatives that are IMHO much more pleasant than NY299. Alternatives to NY299 between New Paltz and its western end at US 44 / NY 55 add significant mileage. Motor traffic (including heavy trucks) can be as intense as NY299 and these alternative lack shoulders.

Worth adding: for those unfamiliar with New Paltz, NY299 in New Paltz is Main Street, both literally and figuratively. Biking through New Paltz on NY299, conditions vary from okay to challenging. "Challenging": some segments are narrow, accessorized with occasional storm drains.

At the Wallkill Valley Rail Trail (wvrta.org) Association's 2011 annual meeting, a representative from National Park Service offered a presentation themed: "Bicycles Bring Business" buttressing what many of us know: downtown accommodations for bicycles pay local dividends. The following year's WVRTA annual meeting presented a plan to divert bicycle traffic through New Paltz to Henry W Dubois Drive, about half a mile north of NY299. I'm including this tidbit to emphasize: even folks we hope are our allies don't want us around.

Generally, I find motor vehicle drivers in the region and specifically on NY299 to be courteous and considerate, but all you need (or don't need) is one who isn't.

Also worth adding: Mohonk Preserve and Mohonk Mountain House are becoming somewhat more bicycle friendly. There's been some muttering about opening Lenape Lane to bicycles. Lenape Lane more or less parallels NY299 west of New Paltz. But. It's a "carriage road": unpaved crushed stone. Also -- no small thing -- Mohonk is private. There's a fee. I think the Mohonk / Minnewaska carriage roads are delightful (actually, much better than that), but many folks won't adapt their choice of tires to conditions..allblock_box_v1{border-style:solid;border-width:1px;border-color:#ff5500;**.allblock_box_v1{border-style:solid;border-width:1px;border-color:#ff5500;**
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Originally Posted by TheLibrarian
Pretty young lady just died on 299 thats why the petition. It is a large shoulder.
I thought the accident happened near Butterville Rd. If that's correct, 299 has no shoulder there. As noted above, I just toured through that area a few weeks ago. And the stretch to/from Libertyville Rd. in on a nationally know bike route between Maine and Florida. The fact that there are other roads in the area doesn't always help when you need to get between A and B.
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They have to be talking about that stretch generally west of New Paltz, from the bridge over the Wallkill River to 44/55. There is little if any shoulder for most of that, particularly west of Albany Post Rd (Butterville Rd) heading west toward the mountain, a very popular but hairy stretch of road for cyclists.

Cars like to fly through that stretch, including myself heading to and from Mohonk, but at least I'm considerate enough to slow down when I see a cyclist because I'm aware of the dangerous passing situation trying to get around a cyclist while avoiding a head on collision with cars coming from the other direction. It's a long overdue improvement they're proposing, as that is a very busy stretch on the weekends.

As well, plans have been approved and are in the works for extending the rail trail (MUP) from its current terminus in Highland all the way to Mohonk/Minnewaska. I hope I'm not too old to ride by the time that happens.
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Originally Posted by arbee
Worth adding: for those unfamiliar with New Paltz, NY299 in New Paltz is Main Street, both literally and figuratively. Biking through New Paltz on NY299, conditions vary from okay to challenging. "Challenging": some segments are narrow, accessorized with occasional storm drains.

The following year's WVRTA annual meeting presented a plan to divert bicycle traffic through New Paltz to Henry W Dubois Drive, about half a mile north of NY299. I'm including this tidbit to emphasize: even folks we hope are our allies don't want us around.
It's less than a quarter mile diversion, actually. I find it a very rational alternative to staying on Rte 299 through the village's narrow streets. That's my route of choice when going through New Paltz. Only on days when I'm feeling particularly adventurous, reliving my younger days of cycling through the mean streets of NYC, do I take 299 through the village. Just too dangerous.
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Originally Posted by arbee
At the Wallkill Valley Rail Trail (wvrta.org) Association's 2011 annual meeting, a representative from National Park Service offered a presentation themed: "Bicycles Bring Business" buttressing what many of us know: downtown accommodations for bicycles pay local dividends. The following year's WVRTA annual meeting presented a plan to divert bicycle traffic through New Paltz to Henry W Dubois Drive, about half a mile north of NY299. I'm including this tidbit to emphasize: even folks we hope are our allies don't want us around.

The Adventure Cycling route I mentioned, and their routes in general, often opt to go through the centers of towns like New Paltz so cyclists following their routes can take advantage of services. They try to strike a balance between scenery, safety and services. I sometimes provide them with route advice and will suggest that they add a traffic advisory about getting through New Paltz to the "Riding Conditions" section of the relevant map or to the map addendum, which is updated more frequently.
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I ride this area often and on Friday's, or the weekend.... it can get busy with traffic, people and other bikes. As with anything, you have to adjust your attention to your surroundings.

New Paltz is a growing village with a large diversity of outdoor enthusiasts. There is a lot to see and do there. Hiking, rock climbing, kayaking, rail trail riding, Mohonk and Minnewaska trail rides, climbing Rt 44/55 for the views and of course, dodging other users of the roads and trails.

Many people get hurt doing these extreme sports. I hope our members here stay safe,
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