jeichelberg87

People behind you are entitled to know your intent also, are they not?

Do you mystically "pass right through," those you are passing or do you change your lane?

I see turn signals being used all the time while passing and I know exactly what is going to transpire a vast majority of the time. I look at a vehicle with its turn signal on in certain situations and I say to my self, "Self, that car up ahead is going to change lanes and pass another vehicle."
I said "turn signal," and you exclude all the other things of which you then write.

Some sort of signal is required by law if you are going to pass another vehicle. I do not know if it applies to cycling.

The question to which I responded was whether intent to pass is communicated. The answer is yes. The method is, "turn signal." And to think only the person ahead of you is entitled to perceive your intent to pass is pretty disingenuous.

jeichelberg87

As an aside, do you know the law for signaling while driving a motor vehicle if you are going to pass another vehicle?

I do not know what the specific law states. I do know what I was required to do as a CDL Class A Operator while driving for my last company (I do not know if it is the law). I was required to activate my signal, leave it on through the entirety of the pass, then activate the opposite blinker and leave it on until the pass was entirely complete.

Mr. 66

Not pwi I use a chunked tablet

ZmanKC

Not the same to me, though. That's why I clarified. I wouldn't wear earphones, but I do wear one or two earbuds.

Paul Barnard

Sorry, but I am just not interested in a nerd fight.

mr_bill

If I were mastering and editing a recording, I'd choose my studio monitor in-ear with custom molded ear pieces - with wires. I wouldn't wear them on a bicycle to listen to compressed content on my iPhone. But that's just me.

Perhaps you are one of those folks who purchases mass quantites of oxygen-free copper "interconnects" so that you can plug in your so sweet Dr. Beets? There's a sucker born....


-mr. bill

Ajkollme

Nerd fight? I thought this was a reasonable discussion about pedestrian and cyclist safety. Isn't that what happens in the a/s forum?

italktocats

screenglare

italktocats

i dont think people use a translator for their 2nd language..

italktocats

you mean use hearing to compensate for USING YOUR EYES? kinda what people do in cars? hear no evil see no evil?

Rollfast

I can make a very realistic beep noise and loudly too.


That Coyote can't catch me either.

Rollfast

You're new here, I guess. Give it time and you'll be arguing with the best of us.

CB HI

Motorist pass each other on freeways all the time on the freeway without legally being required to use a turn signal. Most of the laws that apply state that the lanes operate independently.

CB HI

Are you talking about yourself, because I certainly do not purchase the low quality hyped BS as you try to imply.

CB HI

Depends on how good they are at their second language. But since the post was made by someone using their first language, you should be commenting about that.

Bmach

Single earbud should have been an option. I use a stereo to mono earbud so I selected earphones for my answer.

905

Thanks for taking part in the poll, flawed though it may be. Kind of wish I’d added the one ear option. Guess I mentally shuffled it into the first option. The simpler the poll the better, I thought.

Also, mea culpa, there is enough of a difference between earbuds and earphones to make clear the distinction, as the latter are configured to block out more environmental noise because they burrow into the canal. (Until I read up on them just now I thought I used earphones. I don’t.) My chief interest wasn’t in the exact delivery system, but if you’re plugged in at all; and if not, if the perception of danger kept you from doing it, or your experience informed you.

That aside, my own thinking is that mono is actually “worse”. I’ve never tried it, except involuntarily when one side goes bad, which completely ruins it for me. This was also addressed by a commenter elsewhere:

I’ve never tried audio books either, so this is speaking from ignorance, but I’d think there would be a greater possibility of distraction – if only because songs have a certain expected rhythm, but who knows where a book will take you! However, I reckon that those who read with their ears or listen to podcasts can manage just fine.

I see no evidence that riding* with ‘buds or ‘phones causes harm to anyone (which is not to say some don’t come to grief while wearing them; people come to grief for all manner of reasons). Clearly it has the power to offend sensibilities about what cycling should be.

When Boris Johnson was London mayor and suggested the practice be banned**


Boris not being distracted

I got ready to mourn having to leave my ears open for the abuse regularly handed out by cabbies & the like. Put me solidly in the Leave Me Alone camp. Or the Whatever Works For You camp, if they'll have me.

* it's my view that pedestrians are more likely to get lost in their music than cyclists
** so far it hasn't been, but I expect that eventually 'ealth and safety will win the day

jeichelberg87

I am not sure this is correct; however, it is certainly sub-topical at this moment.

bikecrate

That's exactly how I like to do it, without drama. I don't like unnecessary communication either. I'd prefer never to say anything if possible.

bikecrate

I'm not sure why I would be annoyed with you. You sound like a considerate cyclist who is aware of their surroundings. I'd have no reason to even communicate my passing.

jefnvk

+1. Single earbud in the non-traffic side, at a level that is discernible but doesn't drown much else out.

Sorry my mind doesn't work exactly like yours, or that you can't multitask. Would you rather I not cycle, because the ballgame is on, or would you prefer I listen to it while cycling? Do you drive your car in silence, because driving is all that you need to be happy?

Hypno Toad

this ^^^

bmthom.gis

I use earbuds for all my commutes. It makes it a much more pleasant experience being able to listen to music or podcasts then just constant traffic noise, including big diesel engines and air brakes of 18 wheelers and dump trucks. Those are very loud, especially right next to you. I can still hear better than all the cagers with their radios turned up and them sealed off from the world. Luxury vehicles are even worse - they have much better sound insulation. When riding around in my BILs car, there is no outside noise to hear.

Commute is boring, not much in the way of being able to dramatically change the route, and 80% of it is on a 4 lane road with a bike lane and a constant flow of cars and trucks.

I-Like-To-Bike

And drive with all the windows down, regardless of the weather conditions, all the better to hear the sounds of traffic and wind noise? Better yet, only drive convertibles with the top down at all times to enjoy the sounds of traffic while happy tunes float around inside the driver's head.

1989Pre 

I just manage my time effectively, so that I am not tempted to do too many things at-once. Why would I listen to music at home, go out and listen to music for 2-3 hours on my bike, and then go home and listen to music?
I guess it's just a question of balance, as well as being a safety issue.
It's kind of the same syndrome where people can't stop using their cell phones.
Rather than comparing it to a situation where I am driving a car, I liken it to when I am walking in the woods or back-packing: I don't need the bandwagon all the time. There are times when I'd rather relax and "tune in" to my environment than to stay over-stimulated and to "tune out", basically trying to ignore a certain portion of what I am experiencing. That's just me. Do whatever you want.